Talk:Casals Forum

Currency signs and other abbriviations

My currency change from "€36 million" and "c. €60M" to "36 million €" and "60 million €" was reverted. As stated in Euro sign currency sign are placed in Europe, and especially in Germany after the value. As this is a European / German topic, I follow the german rules. @Gerda Arendt @DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered: What is your opinion?

Additional question: Why is one time "million" used and one tim "M"? And what does the "c." means in "c. €60M"? In the german Wikipedia we have the rule: don't use abbreviations which are not common. For me, it is not common. --GodeNehler (talk) 06:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for coming here to discuss it!

On the placement of the sign, the article you mention, Euro sign, does say a number of things including, in its lead, In English, the sign immediately precedes the value (for instance, €10); in most other European languages [otherwise] and in its body, at Euro sign#Use the same point is made at greater length. There's also a nice table at Language and the euro which lists which countries are big-endian and which little! Finally, if you google this exact issue you will find many articles affirming that English says €600 and not 600 €. Since we are writing here in English we follow the conventions of English. Similarly, I would not expect you, in a German Wikipedia article mentioning the cost of something in England/wherever, to abide by English usage, because you would be writing in German for a German audience and you should be getting it right for them. So here I think we need English usage no matter the topic.

On the millions, MOS:MILLION says M (unspaced, capitalized) or bn (unspaced), respectively, may be used for "million" or "billion" after a number, when the word has been spelled out at the first occurrence which is what happened here. I think it looks tidier to go for the shortened version once we have explained what we mean, but if you are finding it very offensive and difficult to read please feel free to return it to the spelt-out version. This is not a hill upon which I am prepared to die!

Neither, while I am at it, is c., a very commonly used abbreviation for Circa, a word of Latin origin meaning 'approximately'. As far as I recall this usage was installed by Gerda in the first iteration so maybe she has a view too. I see that Grimes2 has helpfully popped in a "Circa" template, which does make an instant expansion available, but of course it could easily be changed to "approximately" or, perhaps better, "about" if you felt that it was clearer.

Best wishes and many thanks, DBaK (talk) 13:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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Halls of Casals Forum

• ... that in the hall of the new Casals Forum (pictured), the new concert hall for chamber music of the Kronberg Academy, walls are curved and covered with wood? Source: several
  • Reviewed: Tibetan art

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - See comments.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - Could you please provide a source?
• Interesting: - This is really only marginally interesting. Do you have any other suggestions?

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: There are some copyvio issues. The first two sentences of the lede appear to be copied from this source. Some issues with the hook which I have outlined above. Also some readability issues. Are you able to reword this sentence as I'm not really sure what it means: Raimund Trenkler, the founder and president of the Academy, explained the dedication to Pablo Casals as to a model for music making and humanity. Likewise with this: The climate control is efficient by an Eiskeller. Overall it is an ok article but sometimes feels like a lose collection of facts rather than a coherent summary - this is probably a standard slightly too high for DYK tho. Once the above issues are fixed it should be good to go. Vladimir.copic (talk) 23:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing.

• The socalled copyvio: I promise that I didn't copy anything from a source, I simply translated from the German Wikipedia. How else would you describe where a hall is and after whom it is named? There are even standards to word the former.
• Hook: the image shows that this is so. But I'll try to find a source also. - The key is that these curved walls lead to a phenomenal acoustic, but how to say so in 200 chars?
• I'll reword the explanation of the dedication and the climate control, understanding that it needs background for English-speaking context.
• I'll let you know when done, which may take a few days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Per copyvio, I'm sure it is unintentional but its word-for-word. Is it possible the source instead copied us?

Source: The Casals Forum is a concert hall for chamber music, completed in 2022 for the Kronberg Academy in Kronberg im Taunus, Hesse, Germany. It is named after the cellist Pablo Casals.

WP article: Casals Forum is a concert hall for chamber music, completed in 2022 for the Kronberg Academy in Kronberg im Taunus, Hesse, Germany. It is named after the cellist Pau Casals. Vladimir.copic (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I didn't ask you to repeat, - I asked how else you would say that. It's just the standard wording, no intellectual property damaged. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

My apologies - I didn't mean to bludgeon you about this. There are a few ways you can rephrase the lede to avoid this - I could have a go but I probably won't have time to look at this properly again until the end of the week. Vladimir.copic (talk) 23:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I also had no time but now rephrased almost all sentences (at least that's how it feels), - please check again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

ALT0a: ... that in the hall of the new Casals Forum (pictured), the new concert hall for chamber music of the Kronberg Academy, walls are curved and covered with wood, reminiscent of a string instrument? -- (forgot to sign)

Issues seem to be fixed. ALT0a looks a lot better but it needs to be mentioned in the article. Could you also provide me with a source? Vladimir.copic (talk) 22:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I hope I could, using one ref for a quote and adding another, - please check. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:22, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Sources and content are there now. I can't read German so am AGF and approving now. Vladimir.copic (talk) 21:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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