Talk:Cassiar, British Columbia

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Judging from Jade City, British Columbia, I'm guessing the subject of the article is at [1] ; is this correct? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Calbaer (talk • contribs) 21:59, August 24, 2006.

You seem to be correct. I've updated the article with coordinates from the Cassiar web site. —smably 04:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: withdrawn – Fayenatic London 14:08, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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• Cassiar, British Columbia → Cassiar
• Cassiar → Cassiar (disambiguation)

– This is a totally unique town name and all other uses derive from it; there is no native-name conflict, as the name's origin is believed to be a derivation from a Kaska Dena word which (whatever it was) does not exist in English. According to TITLE and other things I've read, items which are "FOO WHATEVER" are not primary topic, so the region Cassiar Country, Cassiar Mountains etc are only secondary topics as being adjectival uses derived from the proper noun that is the town-name; other than geology, forestry and mining reports and the like for the latter googles for this name should overwhelmingly show the town, even though it is a ghost town now. Skookum1 (talk) 09:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose since Cassiar (the town) is a ghost town. Maybe no other uses of Cassiar are the primary topic, but that doesn't prove this one is. There are disambiguation issues, and it has not been shown that this use meets the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria. Name derivation is relevant only to "historical significance", which I categorically reject. --B2C 18:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
  • There's a similar RM on Bralorne, British Columbia right now, also about a ghost town, albeit in that case one that still has a tiny population and is a completely unique name, other than the mine company's names. The name "Cassiar" was created by the developers of this town, which was originally a gold mining site, later asbestos; it only became a ghost town in the 1970s when the world market for asbestos collapsed. Like Atlin, British Columbia where there is another RM and is relatively a ghost town nowadays compared to its former heyday, Cassiar was the only town in an area of BC the size of a few US states. What other primary topic could there be here? This name is unique; Cassiar Street in Vancouver might be a "more common use" - in Vancouver - "are you going to take Cassiar?" e.g. - but the street itself is not notable. Citations for Cassiar's importance can be found, but you would apparently reject them on that basis alone, that it is no longer an operating town? Really?? That doesn't make any sense to me; but then I'm from the times when this was an important town, though I never went there. The mountain range is not as important, nor is the Land District (which doesn't have an article yet). "Are you going to go via Cassiar?" still applies, as people visit this site when on Highway 37 (the Stewart-Cassiar Highway it's called, even though it doesn't go through Stewart).Skookum1 (talk) 01:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
• Comment OK I was wrong, the town was created much later than the days of the Cassiar Gold Rush, the mining district for that being identical to the Cassiar Land District as was often the case for mining districts e.g. the Lillooet Mining District/Lillooet Land District; the river was named for its position at the centre of that land district, the history of the name is on the Cassiar Mountains BC Names/GeoBC entry. The town first got a post office [in http://apps.gov.bc.ca/pub/bcgnws/names/39349.html 1952], I'm not sure when the asbestos company first started the town, which was thus named for the region it was in. RM withdrawn, how do we close this?Skookum1 (talk) 01:51, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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Considering this withdrawal in retrospect and now being equipped with that view stats tool from grok.se, this needs to be either revisited or just summarily moved:

• "Cassiar" was viewed 57 times last month (March)
• "Cassiar, British Columbia" was viewed 469 times
• "Cassiar Mountains", which is not a primarytopic candidate due to its compound/two-word name, was viewed 375 times
• "Cassiar District", which is not a reference to the electoral district listed but to the Land District and coterminous Mining District, was viewed 45 times
• {http://stats.grok.se/en/201403/Cassiar%20Tunnel "Cassiar Tunnel"] was viewed 311 times; Cassiar Street, which is the source of this name, is adjacent to other N-S streets named for regions, i.e. Kootenay and Slocan and Boundary (which not incidentally is the Vancouver-Burnaby Boundary but harmoniously re the other regions named also references the Boundary Country); though west of it a pattern of naming N-S streets after towns continues all the way to Victoria Drive 15-20 blocks).
• the electoral district, which is defunct and now depopulated since the town closed, was viewed 103 times.
• Cassiar River is missing from the dabpage; I will try and get a stub started, as it is a major river in regional terms; Cassiar Gold Rush at some point also, though that is a complicated subject and much reading and citing will be necessary and I just don't have the time at present or in the last couple of years, despite being the author of many other BC gold rush articles.
• The Stewart-Cassiar Highway was named conjointly with Stewart as a reference to the town, not the region, in the days when the town was still alive.
• WP:CSG#Places is very clear about unique town names; there is no other usage of "Cassiar" that is a primarytopic per TITLE and PRIMARYTOPIC, i.e. that does not contain other words. This was a large and important town for 30 years until relatively recent times; downplaying its historical importance and its known prominence as one of the only major towns in region the size of Wyoming or larger (Atlin, Telegraph Creek and Dease Lake are the others, such as they are) is why it is widely-known, and why "Cassiar" as a single unembellished term is a reference to the town, even though it has now been disassembled (see see its BC Names/GeoBC entry, and in no way or form a reference to anything else; the old usage "the Cassiar" in reference to the District/region, dating from the time of the 1870s gold rush, is obsolete and never used. The Kaska, who are believed to be the namesake, have never been referred to as "the Cassiar".Skookum1 (talk) 13:23, 1 April 2014 (UTC)