Talk:Catholic Church sexual abuse cases in Europe
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Catholic Church sexual abuse cases in Europe article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This topic contains controversial issues, some of which have reached a consensus for approach and neutrality, and some of which may be disputed. Before making any potentially controversial changes to the article, please carefully read the discussion-page dialogue to see if the issue has been raised before, and ensure that your edit meets all of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Please also ensure you use an accurate and concise edit summary. |
Untitled
editThe article title is POV by suggesting a "catholic scandal" exists in Europe, when what has actually beeen put together are a limited number of individual cases involving Catholics. The article in fact seems to be something of a list. The article title should be moved to something like "List of Catholic related sexual abuse cases in Europe." Xandar 01:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
They should change it to "Hypocritical Rapist Catholic Bastards (and these are just the European ones)". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.102.240 (talk) 01:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Some of the material seems rather dubious and smacks of listing anything with a vague connexion to the subject e.g. listing examples under Ireland of people who abused in the US but have Irish nationality. Surely they should just be listed under the US article? And a student downloading child porn at a seminary? Most of the cites are newspaper sources - how reliable are they? It would be more credible if it concentrated solely on proven and better cited cases. Otherwise it looks as if we're just part of the media bandwagon. --Bermicourt (talk) 16:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- Renamed per Xandar's 2010 comment. I've chosen not to add "Roman" per main article in case that was intentionally ommitted to avoid any confusion with the city or former empire, though that seems unlikely. No objection to anyone else adding it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:52, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- The Roman bit is justified, as Catholic means "professing Christ" and includes all Churches: only the Roman church has the doctrines which are biased towards priests, offering them disproportionate protection. The way accusations have been systematically suppressed by Cardinal Daneels in Belgium suggests this is institutionalised, at least there.
Orphaned references in Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Europe
editI check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Europe's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "times":
- From Walter Mixa: German bishop accused of beating orphaned girls, Timesonline
- From Cormac Murphy-O'Connor: Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor: recession may be jolt that selfish Britain needs
- From Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Boston: Belluck, Pam (2002-02-16). "New Hampshire Diocese Names 14 Priests Accused of Abuse". The New York Times.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:51, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
United Kingdom/Great Britain
editI've changed the name of the section 'United Kingdom' to 'Great Britain'. The Catholic Curch in Ireland serves Catholics in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. The UK section, therefore, should only contain cases which have occurred on the mainland (Great Britain). Obscurasky (talk) 07:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- At some time the section heading was reverted to "United Kingdom". Before seeing this comment I added a Northern Ireland section, merely linking to Northern Ireland Historical Institutional Abuse Inquiry (NIHIA) as main article. Should we have Great Britain and (island of) Ireland, or United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and (Republic of) Ireland? A political or religious division? I personally don't have a strong opinion, but this should be agreed upon explicitly and implemented. Whichever way, the NIHIA needs linking. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 22:03, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Belgium
editCan you include details of the cover-up undertaken by the Archdiocese, please? There appear to have been three phases, culminating in the suppression of Wim de Troyes' judicial investigation in 2012. I cannot post as I've been directly involved in fighting off an attempted abuse by colleagues of Peter Adrienssens and an RC Order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.135.173 (talk) 08:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
External links modified
editHello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on Catholic sexual abuse cases in Europe. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/20100831071446/http://www.sundaymercury.net:80/news/tm_headline=father-hudson-home-memories-haunted-millionaire&method=full&objectid=20697755&siteid=50002-name_page.html to http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/tm_headline=father-hudson-home-memories-haunted-millionaire&method=full&objectid=20697755&siteid=50002-name_page.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
- If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
- If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 07:01, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
External links modified
editHello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on Catholic sexual abuse cases in Europe. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
- Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20120916004148/http://www.sundaymercury.net:80/news/tm_headline=i-was-a-victim-of-evil-priest&method=full&objectid=20597740&siteid=50002-name_page.html to http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/tm_headline=i-was-a-victim-of-evil-priest&method=full&objectid=20597740&siteid=50002-name_page.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
- If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
- If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 03:45, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
External links modified
editHello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Catholic sexual abuse cases in Europe. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
- Added
{{dead link}}
tag to https://www.telemoustique.be/tm/magazine_pedophilie_chez_les_pretres_loi_du_silence.html - Added
{{dead link}}
tag to http://www.vjesnik.hr/html/2003/03/12/Clanak.asp?r=crn&c=1 - Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100401142538/http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100326/ap_on_re_eu/eu_church_abuse_italy_deaf_students to http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100326/ap_on_re_eu/eu_church_abuse_italy_deaf_students
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
- If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
- If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 10:54, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
External links modified
editHello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 20 external links on Catholic sexual abuse cases in Europe. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110608001602/http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/7033376/__Huiszoeking_bij_aartsbisdom__.html?sn=binnenland%2Cbuitenland to http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/7033376/__Huiszoeking_bij_aartsbisdom__.html?sn=binnenland%2Cbuitenland
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110724160102/http://www.katholieknederland.nl/actualiteit/2005/detail_objectID573995_FJaar2005.html to http://www.katholieknederland.nl/actualiteit/2005/detail_objectID573995_FJaar2005.html
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070930162427/http://www.wittecomitesblancs.be/IMG/pdf/00.10.pdf to http://www.wittecomitesblancs.be/IMG/pdf/00.10.pdf
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110726180806/http://www.innocenceprofanee.org/IMG/pdf/Temoignage_Joel_DEVILLET.pdf to http://www.innocenceprofanee.org/IMG/pdf/Temoignage_Joel_DEVILLET.pdf
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120402142522/http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=G7CV2T8N to http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=G7CV2T8N
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071027080959/http://www.glas-koncila.hr/rubrike_reportaza.html?news_ID=3844 to http://www.glas-koncila.hr/rubrike_reportaza.html?news_ID=3844
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070930190426/http://www.praguepost.com/P03/2003/Art/0402/news7.php to http://www.praguepost.com/P03/2003/Art/0402/news7.php
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090801114633/http://www.apostasie.org/french/pedo/fait.html to http://www.apostasie.org/french/pedo/fait.html
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090605144147/http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_32_42/ai_n16546124/ to http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_32_42/ai_n16546124
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121010104310/http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_objectid%3D14115794%26method%3Dfull%26siteid%3D50082%26headline%3Dpriest-almost-drove-victim-to-suicide-name_page.html to http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_objectid%3D14115794%26method%3Dfull%26siteid%3D50082%26headline%3Dpriest-almost-drove-victim-to-suicide-name_page.html
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120209213244/http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16165122 to http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16165122
- Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/tm_headline%3Di-was-a-victim-of-evil-priest%26method%3Dfull%26objectid%3D20597740%26siteid%3D50002-name_page.html
- Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/tm_headline%3Dfather-hudson-home-memories-haunted-millionaire%26method%3Dfull%26objectid%3D20697755%26siteid%3D50002-name_page.html
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131203073531/http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/50-old-boys-speak-out-1249474 to http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/50-old-boys-speak-out-1249474
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110724160054/http://www.katholieknederland.nl/actualiteit/2002/detail_objectID578442_FJaar2002.html to http://www.katholieknederland.nl/actualiteit/2002/detail_objectID578442_FJaar2002.html
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080828055918/http://www.sign2god.com/charta/VN/RK-pedofilie.html to http://www.sign2god.com/charta/VN/RK-pedofilie.html
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100505192310/http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2010/apr/25/notorious-paedophile-priest-found-helping-with-chi/ to http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2010/apr/25/notorious-paedophile-priest-found-helping-with-chi/
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070929123023/http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=23324 to http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=23324
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090531113813/http://www.vest.si/2006/12/20/frantar-obsojen/ to http://www.vest.si/2006/12/20/frantar-obsojen/
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100410231645/http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_14332.shtml to http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_14332.shtml
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
- If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
- If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 04:24, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
External links modified
editHello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Catholic sexual abuse cases in Europe. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
- Added
{{dead link}}
tag to http://www.telemoustique.be/tm/magazine/3448/Pedophilie-chez-les-pretres-la-loi-du-silence.html - Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20091015071837/http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/france/2005/0%2C%2C3247134%2C00-pretre-pedophile-condamne-ans-prison-.html to http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/france/2005/0%2C%2C3247134%2C00-pretre-pedophile-condamne-ans-prison-.html
- Added
{{dead link}}
tag to http://195.68.79.50/info/quotidien/actu.asp?id=3874 - Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081024021911/http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/france/2005/0%2C%2C3247441%2C00-ferme-pour-cure-exhibitionniste-.html to http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/france/2005/0%2C%2C3247441%2C00-ferme-pour-cure-exhibitionniste-.html
- Added
{{dead link}}
tag to http://www.swr.de/nachrichten/bw/-/id%3D1622/nid%3D1622/did%3D5927654/1yy24fi/index.html - Added
{{dead link}}
tag to http://www.rbb-online.de/nachrichten/politik/2010_02/deutscher_jesuiten.html - Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120601210033/http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2012/05/06/catholic-church-knew-pervert-priest-had-unwholesome-relationship-25-years-before-he-was-jailed-for-sexually-abusing-boys-66331-30909196/ to http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2012/05/06/catholic-church-knew-pervert-priest-had-unwholesome-relationship-25-years-before-he-was-jailed-for-sexually-abusing-boys-66331-30909196/
- Added
{{dead link}}
tag to http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2012/05/06/catholic-church-knew-pervert-priest-had-unwholesome-relationship-25-years-before-he-was-jailed-for-sexually-abusing-boys-66331-30909196/2/ - Added
{{dead link}}
tag to http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2012/05/06/catholic-church-knew-pervert-priest-had-unwholesome-relationship-25-years-before-he-was-jailed-for-sexually-abusing-boys-66331-30909196/3/ - Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120210191120/http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2012/01/22/walsall-paedophile-priest-victim-reveals-how-he-faced-his-tormentor-in-court-66331-30171885/ to http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2012/01/22/walsall-paedophile-priest-victim-reveals-how-he-faced-his-tormentor-in-court-66331-30171885/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
- If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
- If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 03:25, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
External links modified
editHello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Catholic sexual abuse cases in Europe. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140202180152/http://vijesti.hrt.hr/arhiv/2004/12/28/KRV.html to http://vijesti.hrt.hr/arhiv/2004/12/28/KRV.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
- If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
- If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:22, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
External links modified (January 2018)
editHello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Catholic sexual abuse cases in Europe. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090601003439/http://www.seksueelmisbruik.info/rkkerk/?p=9 to http://www.seksueelmisbruik.info/rkkerk/?p=9
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
- If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
- If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 02:21, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Chaplain of His Holiness appointment
editI had to use uBlock Origin to remove the nagging dialog boxes which hid the Washington Post article from view, and once I did that they revealed two meager paragraphs, neither of which mention Benedict XVI or Cappella's appointment as Monsignor. I think more relevant would be his service to "India and Hong Kong" which are mentioned in the headline but not the body of the article. Elizium23 (talk) 21:27, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Covering up information about Henryk Gulbinowicz disciplinary action is unhelpful
editIt is confirmed that the Polish Cardinal was not buried in the Wroclaw Cathedral. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/cardinal-gulbinowicz-dies-ten-days-after-vatican-sanctions-67629 InsulinRS (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- InsulinRS, you added it to four different articles and the story has nothing to do with abuse! Elizium23 (talk) 18:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes it does, because the burial was discipline action.InsulinRS (talk) 18:33, 31 December 2020 (UTC)