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Personal opinion

The Catholic Reaction Force (CRF) is neither a cover name for the PIRA or INLA. The INLA are Socialists and not particularly religous, therfore using the name 'catholic' is unlikely. The IRA have used many regional cover names but not CRF. This is likely a Loyalist groups masquerading as a Republican group, to further dissent for Republican paramilitaries.

I have an article from The Times, Nov 1983, that quotes at length an interview with Dominic McGlinchey, then chief of staff of the INLA. He denies Darkley and says only one of the men involved was in the INLA, and that man had been given a Luger to kill a known loyalist.

Lead

The lead needs expansion. It also needs to say that the attacks were likely perpetrated by a republican group using the covername Catholic Reaction Force.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:49, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

According to the sources we have here, the CRF never claimed to be a "republican group". It's statement on the Darkley killings said the attack was merely "retaliation" for the killing of Catholics. Also, since only two gunmen took part in the Darkley killings, I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a "group". I'm not sure how else to expand it. ~Asarlaí 14:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

How about this? ~Asarlaí 15:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Anti-Protestantism

Nothing in the CRF statement indicates it opposed Protestantism. The reason it gave for the murders was that it sought an end to attacks on Catholic civilians, not the promotion of Catholicism. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:34, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

What has promotion of Catholicism got to do with anything? The group's name was only used in regards to attacks on Protestants. If I attacked a Jew I'd be called anti-Semetic, ergo solely attacking Protestants is sure as the sky is blue anti-Protestant. Your select quoting also missed out the point about killing more Protestants. Keep your bias in check. Mabuska ^(talk) 10:27, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Look to the beam in thine own eye, Mabuska. Anti-Protestant is fine with me, but anti-Protestantism is a different kettle of fish. Gob Lofa (talk) 23:32, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

That's a matter of pedantic hair-splitting. But I will give you that the actual Category:Anti-Protestantism page does state "It must not include articles about individuals, groups or media that are allegedly anti-Protestant.", but having quoted that, the category has quite a few articles there that disregard that statement. Like why is Ribbonism and the Defenders listed in this category too? They were both Irish anti-Protestant groups just as the CRF are. An attack on a church such as that committed by the CRF can be easily construed as anti-Protestantism as it is targeting members of that denomination specifically in their place of worship. I think an RfC to get more outside views on it would help settle it. Mabuska ^(talk) 13:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

OK, an RfC could work. The Defenders were definitely anti-Protestantism, as their pamphlets make clear. Gob Lofa (talk) 23:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Where's the RFC? Gob Lofa (talk) 16:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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