Talk:Catholic spirituality

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I made this article from scratch. I decided to start with the 6 spiritualities with which I am most familiar. There are other Catholic spiritualities - Opus Dei, Neo-Catechumenal, etc. - with which I am less familiar, but I hope others will add them. 67.80.139.189 01:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Name move?

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The result of the debate was no consensus. --liquidGhoul 00:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Catholic spirituality → Roman Catholic spirituality – In keeping with the name of the main article page (Roman Catholic Church), this article refers specifically to that denomination and not to churches in the Catholic tradition generally. NOTE: Talk page name does not match article name. Fishhead64 00:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

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• Support per nom. Fishhead64 00:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Suport per nom. — Gareth Hughes 11:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose Add other content here if it is felt lacking. No reason other schools of catholic spirituality shouldn't be described. It lists Taize (undeveloped at present) as a distinct school of spirituality. Gimmetrow 18:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose The article is not named "Spirituality of churches of the catholic tradition", but is "Catholic Church Spirituality", and the title "Catholic Church" redirects to the main article mentioned above. -SynKobiety 01:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - There is nothing presented to substantiate that most (or even any) English speakers would look for information about Anglican spirituality (or any other denomination's hierarchy) in an article titled "Catholic Church spirituality." The title is reasonably unambiguous as it is. -SynKobiety 01:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose I have a friend who is a Ukrainian Catholic Priest. He tells me that the Orthodox use the terms "uniate" and "Roman" as a slur to imply being traitors to the East. They would never call themselves "Roman Catholic," but members of the Catholic Church. It seems that Wikipedia honors self identification--and therefore should in this case as with others. --Vita Dulcedo et Spes Nostra 05:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose This move is in direct violation of WP naming conventions and policies. For a thorough discussion of this and other related naming issues based entirely on WP policies, please see: CC vs. RCC --Vaquero100 16:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. —Mira 17:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose The title is unambiguous and unoffensive as it is; if someone wants to add Anglican movements under their own heading, they can do that (and with the rename, they'd have to make a new page) Cheyinka 20:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment How about the Old Catholics? Fishhead64 08:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose - Why has this Talk page already been changed to "Talk:Roman Catholic spirituality". --WikiCats 07:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Someone moved it. I just moved it back to match the article name. Vegaswikian 22:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

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This article, though it contains good information, is often written from what is called in other WIkipedia contexts an "in-universe" perspective. It mostly seems to assume that people reading the article are already immersed in Catholic tradition; it also seems at moments to assume that readers are seeking spiritual guidance rather than information. (They may be; but they will need to explore further.) I rewrote the first sentence a little. It might be helpful to elucidate the subtle grammatical difference between the two Latin passages. I'm also assuming, though I don't know, that the acceptance of faith (distinguished from personal acts of faith) pertains to the Credo? Cynwolfe (talk) 16:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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Suggestions

I'd like to suggest possible changes to the outline, specifically, to add a section on "Mendicant Orders" and to move (at least) the sections on Franciscan, Dominican and Servite spiritualities there. The Franciscan, Dominican and Servite charisms are not monastic, and their members in what are known as the "first orders" are properly referred to as "friars" and not as "monks." Similarly, the Redemptorists and Jesuits (Ignatian spirituality is the creation of Ignatius of Loyola, one of the founders of the Society of Jesus) are also not monastic orders, but neither are they "mendicant" orders.

An alternative, possibly better, would be to change the heading from "Monastic Orders" to "Charisms" as this would allow the section to be expanded at length as contributors can add in summaries from many different Catholic spiritual traditions. This would also invite a brief explanation of what charisms are in Catholicism, and how these different approaches fit into a cohesive whole within the Catholic Church. GHColley (talk) 03:16, 11 September 2022 (UTC)