Talk:Catrina (wrestler)

Lack of notability

The article currently shows no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, no indication of meeting either the general notability guideline or WP:Athlete. Pérez has never participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level. The article is clearly based on a version proposed at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Karlee Pérez which was not created for a lack of established notability; instead of addressing those concerns, 98.116.126.133 simply requested a redirect and then turned it into a version of the declined article. The advice at WT:AFC was to have the article deleted; a redirect may serve as well, but until sources sufficient to establish notability can be found, we should not have an article on Pérez. Huon (talk) 09:55, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure I totally understand notability guidelines very well. Basically I'm noticing that some of the divas on NXT season 3 have articles, and some just redirect to a list page. I'm trying to understand the basis on which this distinction occurs. Isn't being billed as the General Manager of FCW something relevant? Other Divas we hav up for winnig the 'queen of fcw' or 'fcw divas championship'. GM is a very important position, thus the notability of Theodore Long. Maxine's also currently paired with Derrick Bateman on NXT Redemption. To use examples of other female wrestlers represented, why does Brittany Beede have an article? She doesn't seem to have had a position. Anyway how do we discern what the "highest level" is. I doubt we'd consider Hornswoggle to be at the top of pro wrestling, yet he has a page. I can find sources for what she's done if they'll support notability, but I guess I'm not sure what the requirements should be as they apply to WWE stars. This has as much to do with televised celebrity as it does Athleticism, since she's regularly on TV programs internationally. So WP:ENT is another consideration. I am not sure which of these you would consider valid sources but will list anyway:

• WWE.com NXT profile

• Official facebook
• Official twitter
• "Maxine’s vicious road to Redemption" Recent new article

• FCW GM profile
• PWPix profile
• Maxine-Source fan site
• "WWE.com Looks at Maxine’s Return to NXT" article on Diva Dirt
• WrestleNews "Maxine's return to WWE"

I guess the main difficulty is, I don't know where bad sources end and good sources begin. How do we evaluate the validity of sources? Bonechamber (talk) 07:05, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on wrestling sources. The general notability guideline says that in order to be notable, a topic must have "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". So it's not what she has done that makes her notable, but whether reliable secondary sources report it. Of the sources you give above, the WWE, FCW, Facebook and Twitter sources are obviously not independent of the subject. The fan site and PWPix lack, for all I can tell, anything resembling editorial oversight, which is usually required of a reliable source. The Diva-dirt article is basically a replication of a WWE article, again raising problems with independence. I also can't tell whether Diva-dirt is a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards (the website says it has an editorial staff, but they operate on a first-name-only basis, and our article's author is the Editor in Chief; in sum that doesn't look very reliable to me), and even if it were, I doubt an article which consists of about a half-dozen lines which are not quotes from another source counts as "significant coverage". That leaves us with the Wrestlenewz article. This time we get the author's full name, but I couldn't find any indication of editors, and again I believe the coverage is rather too short to be called "significant". I might be wrong about the last two; if you disagree, we might ask the reliable sources noticeboard for their opinion; they are used to evaluating the reliability of sources.

Regarding the "highest level", the reasoning is often the other way around. If someone has competed at the highest level, we presume that reliable sources about her likely exist somewhere. If she hasn't, significant coverage in reliable sources may still exist and establish notability. For Brittany Beede, for example, the Slam! Sports article has appeared in what looks like an online newspaper with editorial oversight; the PWTorch article may also be a reliable source. Honestly I think that article's sources aren't much better than what could be found for Pérez, and that article should consequently be deleted too. Anyway, other stuff exists, but each article should stand on its own merits.

As I said I'm not an expert on wrestling sources, and determining whether a given source is "reliable" is not always easy. The WikiProject Professional wrestling may offer additional advice; it seems a rather lively WikiProject, and they should know which wrestling sources are reliable and which aren't. Huon (talk) 09:12, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move to Karlee Perez

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

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Karlee Pérez → Karlee Perez – Per our sources (with the exception of IMDB), the name does not actually have an accent. Huon (talk) 14:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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Karlee Perez → Maxine (wrestler) – Perez is infinitely more well known by her ring name of Maxine compared to her real name of Perez, as she has always been referred to as Maxine (instead of Perez) on WWE's programming which has international outreach. She has also been referred to as Maxine on FCW TV. As Maxine is therefore the most popular name the page should be named so. Starship.paint (talk) 11:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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Moves to Karlee Perez and back

I moved this page back to Maxine (wrestler), because, due to the reason above, Maxine remains as Perez's most popular name due to WWE's programming which has international outreach, and she has never been referred to as Karlee Perez. Even though Perez has retired, she is still better known as Maxine. So I moved back the page. Starship.paint (talk) 02:20, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Maxine (wrestler)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Maxine (wrestler)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "OWW":

• From Abraham Washington: "Profile". Online World of Wrestling. 2009-07-04. Archived from the original on 22 June 2009. Retrieved 2009-07-05. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From Curtis Axel: "Curtis Axel". Online World of Wrestling. Retrieved 2010-08-04.
• From Alex Riley: "Alex Riley Profile". Online World of Wrestling. Retrieved 2010-03-30.
• From Ethan Carter III: "Michael Hutter". Online World of Wrestling. Retrieved 2010-12-10.
• From Wade Barrett: "Wade Barrett profile". Online World of Wrestling. Retrieved 8 June 2008.
• From Brodus Clay: "Brodus Clay". Online World of Wrestling. Retrieved 2011-01-04.
• From David Otunga: "David Otunga". Online World of Wrestling. Retrieved 2009-09-28.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:15, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 13 April 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:00, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

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Maxine (wrestler) → Catrina (wrestler) – She's been out of WWE now for 5 years and has known as Catrina. Perhaps we should move it to Catrina to reflect her current work. Jimmydream1 (talk) 17:16, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

• Support since Lucha Underground is so popular and she has been part of it since day 1.  MPJ-DK  09:51, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

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