Talk:Cats (2019 film)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Wonder how long before this page gets locked?

Title says it all--MundaneIndigoMan (talk) 05:17, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

It's currently semi-protected. -- The Anome (talk) 13:36, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Howell said that there were several reasons for being able not at home with her husband who voted against. CherngHo 15:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hocheecherngmaster (talk • contribs)

Budget

Budget should be shown in USD (reported $297-300m) rather than GBP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.25.102.162 (talk) 22:21, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

By what rule? As the film is a UK production, and it was filmed there, it should use the native currency. The one that's cited. Crboyer (talk) 02:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

OK, since we're on the subject: where did Box Office Mojo get the $95 million budget from? That's way less than that one article that said it was nearly $300 million. Crboyer (talk) 22:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Box Office Mojo is generally accepted as a reliable source for production/box office information (see WP:FILM/R for example). I'd take it over an op-ed piece from The Guardian, which was the source that said nearly $300 million. Bennv3771 (talk) 23:07, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Unnecessary information...

So, Dubfancake, if you're going to keep adding that completely unnecessary sentence about the "second trailer with new footage being released" back in, can you at least tell me why you think that information should be on the page instead of just continuously reverting my edits removing it without any explanation at all? Neateditor123 (talk) 14:33, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

This needs sourcing

Differences from stage version The film version omits the song The Awefull Battle of the Pekes and the Pollicles and omits the minor characters of Rumpus Cat and Tumblebrutus, among others. Several of the songs have received new song lyrics. The film also adds additional dialogue not found in the stage version.

Victoria is given a larger focus and her own song Beautiful Ghosts, while in the stage version she has no dialogue.

ZarhanFastfire (talk) 19:27, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Cult Classic Status

It should be noted at the end of the Reviews section that the film is already being looked at as a leading example of a future cult film. Here are several links to back this up, with one even saying it could be this generation's Rocky Horror. https://slate.com/culture/2019/12/worst-movies-2019-cats-cult-classic.html https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/24/cats-doesnt-need-edits-needs-embrace-bad-reviews-11957388/ https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/12/22/cats-box-office-bomb-opening-weekend-/ https://comicbook.com/2019/12/18/cats-movie-review-2019/ https://www.joblo.com/movie-news/review-cats --Matt723star (talk) 01:19, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't put it in the article just yet. If I gets called a cult classic later on, put it in the article then. Renard Migrant (talk) 16:18, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, being a 'cult classic' tends to be something that develops over a long time period. Anywikiuser (talk) 13:45, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I also agree that it's a bit too soon to be a cult classic, however, sing-along screenings and other ironic viewings are already taking off in Toronto: https://nowtoronto.com/movies/features/cats-movie-cult-classic-toronto-revue/ HJMaitland (talk) 23:27, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

I think it has a good chance of becoming one as any "artistic" film does. But I don't agree with it being on the " worst of all time" list. Yes, it's weird, but it's not bad enough to warrant that. Rbrammah (talk) 08:36, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

We'll, I'm inclined to say, I agree with the majority of social media. A Cult Following has already amassed, so classic status can't be to far behind Rbrammah (talk) 20:06, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The film was also a box-office bomb

The wording bothers me. The film is still in cinemas, so 'was' bothers me. Renard Migrant (talk) 16:17, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, and now edited. Anywikiuser (talk) 13:45, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

information that appears incorrect/ not verified

In "The cats rejoice and praise Mr. Mistoffeles; he and Victoria dance together and become mates" - Watching the movie, there is not any confirmation that the two "become mates" or what that specifically even means. You can see that they dance together but that's it. This seems to have been the author's own interpretation and not really factual. If this is canonical, I would like to see a reference verifying it. Gingerbug (talk) 22:24, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

You do know mates means friends in British English? its not implying they were mating or something sexual if that's what you mean — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.19.56.146 (talk) 16:24, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2020

Remove the line: "and one of the worst films ever made." Rbrammah (talk) 08:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Cats is not one of the worst films, not even a bad one. It is simply a misunderstood gem, that is getting the shot kicked out it, because of its use of the new. Rbrammah (talk) 08:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Even for misunderstood gems, we still try to report in neutral terms what reliable secondary sources say about the subject. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:53, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

If you have seen the film,and I mean actually seen it, what is your opinion? Rbrammah (talk) 16:28, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. Wikipedia is not the place to post opinions. We write on what is reported in independent third-party sources.

Wikipedia is not the forum on which editors should give their opinions (WP:SOAPBOX) or publish their analyses (WP:OR). :That's not to say you shouldn't write whatever you want about it; just not here.

On the particular requested edit: my initial inclination when I saw it was to revert, but it's well-backed up by third-party sources, so I decided to leave it. TJRC (talk) 17:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Nonetheless, I repeat my request, if this is still rejected, I'll do it myself Rbrammah (talk) 17:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Making a change you know to be against consensus is a pretty fast-track way of getting yourself blocked. :You're a new editor, having been editing for all of one day, and nothing apart from this discussion. You would be well-served by acquiring an understanding of Wikipedia standards and procedures rather than pushing through what you believe if the right way to do things. TJRC (talk) 17:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

You say Wikipedia isn't for opinions, but you're wrong. There are several pages with opinions. The Worst Films list, The Best Films list and the best and worst list of everything else besides. But that's the joy of opinion, it's not set in stone. Example: ask 10'000 film buffs to name the best film ever made, now half may name Citizen Kane or Gone with the Wind, but that doesn't mean the other half will agree with them, or that half will even be a half. And the same thing applys here. Though the public may disagree with me, I feel truly, in my own opinion there is no such thing as the Worst Film ever. Only mediocre ones, but even they have fans Rbrammah (talk) 17:22, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The Worst Film context is sourced whereas your opinion it’s a misunderstood gem is not. We’re not going to change that because you want to meme and if you do it yourself I’m just going to undo it. Rusted AutoParts 17:41, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Nowhere in my previous posts have I mentioned a meme. But frankly you're right, I am wasting my time. Sooner or later they're going to change it anyway, so there's no point in my persisting. And for the record, my Misunderstood Gem opinion is sourced by audience polls and reception, Amazon reviews, and the growing opinion it will become a Cult Classic. So before you question my sources Check your own..... Twice! Rbrammah (talk) 17:48, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Audience polls and amazon reviews are not noted critics making comments. They’re not reliable sources, so no the misunderstood claim is not sourceable. Rusted AutoParts 17:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The general public are the greatest critics. Their tastes aren't Rusted like yours Rbrammah (talk) 18:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

That just proves this request is simply a meme.  Not done. Rusted AutoParts 18:02, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Why would I want to make a meme when there are so many already? Rbrammah (talk) 18:12, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

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