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Good Article nomination

Recently, I have been working on this article to improve it to Good Article status. To achieve this status, I have followed this guide. Upon completion, I have nominated this article for Good Article status on 8/12/2022. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:37, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 06:39, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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This one needs attention in copy changes and some sourcing questions. I'm worried about a blog that's used heavily and a passage that takes from the VHD a lot. 7-day hold to HoHo3143. Please ping when done.

OK, one last item for HoHo3143 and then I will pass if this is solved: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• In July 2022, the signal box at the station was closed, with operations handled remotely from the Kananook signal control centre. Is there a source for this?

Y Done

Copy changes

There are many comma addition and removal recommendations here. User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences (CinS) is also worth reading. Additionally, many adjectives need hyphenation.

Lead

• The station is listed on the Victorian Heritage Register, and was opened on 7 May 1879 The comma here is unneeded. You can't split this into two complete sentences. (CinS)

Y Done

• Change the emdash to a comma after "nearby suburb of Caulfield".

Y Done

• Add a comma after "side platforms"

Y Done

• This building was provided in 1974, and originally served as a race ticket office. Remove comma (CinS) It may also help to explain that a racetrack is nearby.

Y Done. Added some context

• The station also connects to the Route 3 tram service, and routes 624 and 900 bus services. Remove comma (CinS)

Y Done

Description

• North of the station is Dandenong Road and south of the station is Normanby Road. You could add a comma you need after "Dandenong Road", or you could rephrase it to something like Dandenong Road sits north of the station and Normanby Road to its south.

Y Done. Added a comma

• The adjacent stations are Malvern station up towards Melbourne, and Carnegie and Glen Huntly stations down towards Dandenong or Frankston. Remove comma (CinS)

Y Done

• I changed the hard-coded unit conversion to use {{convert}}.

Y Ok thank you

• Metro Trains 7 car HCMT should be Metro Trains 7-car HCMT, and 130 space car park should be 130-space car park

Y Done

History

• Caulfield railway station was opened on 7 May 1879 with the station consisting of a single platform and track for commuter and freight service Add a comma after 1879 to ease reading

Y Done

• with three position signalling also introduced Add a comma before this and hyphenate "three-position".

Y Done. Maybe double check in case I misunderstood what you wrote

• This platform had been used for cargo, postal, farming, and Caulfield Racecourse horse deliveries during its operational life, however was decommissioned after the reduction in use. The part around "however" needs to be reframed to ...life; however, it was decommissioned...

Y Done

• Does "Later in 1922" mean "in late 1922" or "Later, in 1922,"...?

Y Done

• In July 2022, the signal box at the station was closed with operations handelled remotely from the Kananook signal control centre. Add a comma after "closed"—and that should be "handled"

Y Done

• including making the station fully accessible, increasing connectivity to other modes of transport, and the reduction in overcrowding Consider some consistency: replace "the reduction in" with "reducing".

Y Done

• Does "Caulfield Railway Disaster" need to be title case? Can it just be "Caulfield railway disaster"?

Y Results from google show capitalisation. Probably best to keep it.

• "Politised" should be "politicised"

Y Done

• Reduce the use of quotes from the coroner's report.

Y Done

Platforms and services

• The station is currently served by Pakenham, Cranbourne, and Frankston line trains, and is also served by V/Line Traralgon and Bairnsdale services. Remove comma after "trains" (CinS)

Y Done

• Caulfield station is served by the Pakenham, Cranbourne, and Frankston lines on the metropolitan train network, and the Gippsland line on the regional V/Line network Remove comma after "train network" (CinS)

Y Done

• Similarly, the Cranbourne line also follows a similar route joining the Pakenham line at Dandenong before continuing to the city. Remove "Similarly" and add a comma after "route"

Y Done

• From 2025, the Pakenham and Cranbourne lines will be connected to the Sunbury line via the Metro Tunnel, with Airport services set to begin in 2029 with the opening of the Melbourne Airport rail link. Is there a citation for this area? It may also be redundant to the last sentence of the preceding paragraph.

Y Added citations. I think it should be kept

Transport links

• The station has two bus connections, route 624 from Kew to Oakleigh station and the route 900 SmartBus from Caulfield station to Stud Park Shopping Centre in Rowville I'd prefer this comma to be a colon

Y Done

• The station does not have an accessible tram platform or a bus interchange, and instead is operated through on-street bus and tram stops. Remove comma (CinS)

Y Done

Sourcing and spot checks

• Wirreandah Wandering is a blog; what makes it reliable, and can it be replaced?

  I've used it as it sources a lot of information from the Victorian Heritage Database. Should I replace it or keep it?

@HoHo3143: It's gotta go. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Y Done now. Updated it with a more reliable site HoHo3143 (talk) 07:21, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

• Many references have generic first/last names like "Victoria, Public Transport" and "Build, Victoria’s Big". Excise these.

Y Fixed

• Replace website names in references with better versions where possible, e.g. "prov.vic.gov.au" to "Public Record Office Victoria".

Y Fixed

• Is there a better link for the PTV publication on Yumpu (reference 31)?

Y Probably is, however, that is an official PTV poster from a few years ago

Yeah, I could see that. If you can find a better link, that'd be good. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

• Earwig suggests that a significant amount of wording in one passage comes from the VHD source, including to provide improved and additional facilities to what had become an increasingly busy and important location on the train network. Look at this comparison. Rewrite affected areas when the formulations can be reasonably avoided.

Y Fixed

Five references of 31 were chosen for spot checks. I have questions on 2 and 14.

• 2: Used in the infobox as the date of electrification. This reference and reference 13 should be consolidated if possible as identical. What makes VICSIG reliable? The source does check out.

Y Good point about Vicsig. Another reviewer told me this after I nominated this (and the rest of) the articles. Fixed this individual source now

• 5: Cannot verify offline source.

Y This section was written by someone else before I rebuilt the article. They must've had access to this source

• 14: Is this supposed to go to Also, in situations such as the corridor between Hawthorn and Camberwell, or South Yarra to Caulfield, where roads were closely spaced, re-grading the tracks entailed removing a series of level crossings all at once.?

Y Yes as they discuss some history surrounding removals

• 22: PTV line map. Y
• 26: Victoria's Big Build info of new line maps. Y

Images

There are three images, all with appropriate CC licenses. Encouragement: Add alt text for all of them. Note that the plaque alt text should transcribe the plaque!

Y Done

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 04:05, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that a train crash occurred at the Caulfield railway station which killed 3 people and was the first fatal accident to occur on Melbourne's electrified rail system? Source: https://prov.vic.gov.au/about-us/our-blog/remembering-1926-caulfield-disaster
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Spatial inequality

Improved to Good Article status by HoHo3143 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Caulfield railway station, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Oops. Forgot to credit HoHo3143 (talk) on their effort. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
  • credits adjusted :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:44, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
• QPQ is done, the hook is interesting and appears in the article referenced. The article is free of copyright violations and it has the correct inline citations. The article is neutral and it is long enough and was recently awarded good article status. Bruxton (talk) 20:09, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
• Comment In my opinion, I do not think ALT0 is particularly interesting. What did pop out to me while reading the article was The station has mostly stayed the same since 1914, with only minor upgrades taking place. I think that could be the basis of a much more interesting hook. A train station that has been in continuous service for over 100 years with almost no changes seems interesting to me. This is just my opinion, and I am acting in my capacity as an editor, not as a promoter. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:50, 16 February 2023 (UTC)