Talk:Cesare Lombroso

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Just going to be adding a subject heading related to his legacyAeisenstadt1 (talk) 19:02, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I really enjoyed reading your additions to the article. It is well researched and sourced and really adds to the overall quality of the page. It may be useful to perhaps subdivide the heading into subheadings to further organize your thoughts and perhaps look for more sources to back up your claims since the majority of the additions are just based on 3 sources. Overall, Great Job! Amohan12 (talk) 02:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Jewish

Wasn't Lombroso a Jew? That would make ironic that his work was to be used by racists.

>> yes, he was born in the jewish ghetto of Verona and the real name was Ezechia Marco.

>> and why would it be ironic that a jew held racist views?129.177.213.54 (talk) 13:08, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

>>>I'm absolutely DELIGHTED that the jewish mafia that once controlled ALL wikipedia entries has finally succumbed to the harsh reality that Lombroso being a jew actually IS relevant, since it formed the basis of his racial/racist theories from the beginning. Just (pleasantly) surprised to see it finally mentioned in such detail, when previously to even ALLUDE to him being a jew was verboten Kudos to whoever slayed that dragon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:CBF1:2E20:E500:A13F:A58A:9308 (talk) 23:25, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Social Darwinism

(1835-1909)historical figure in modern criminology, and the founder of the Italian Positivist School of criminology. Lombroso rejected the established Classical School assumption based upon Social Darwinism, whose determination of crime was that it was a characteristic trait of human nature. Lombroso's theory was that criminality was inherited, and that the born criminal could be identified by physical defects, which confirmed a criminal as savage, or atavistic.

Lombroso popularized the notion of a born criminal through biological determinism. Criminals have particular physiognomic attributes or deformities. Physiognomy concerns estimating characteristics from physical features of the face or the body. Whereas most individuals evolve, the violent criminal had devolved, and therefore were societal, or evolutionary regressions. If criminality was inherited, then the born criminal could be distinguised by physical atavistic stigmata, such as large jaws, high cheek bones, handle-shaped ears, hawk-like noses, or fleshy lips.

I appreciate the obviously researched work that's gone into this recently. But I wonder whether the second sentence is wrong, or just badly phrased. The notion that some people are born criminals through biological determinism, that criminal tendencies are heritable, and that they manifest as evolutionary throwbacks would strike me as being pretty diagnostic of Social Darwinism. The "classical school" that criminal behaviour is a characteristic, universal trait of human nature, strikes me as pre-Darwinian and (in a European context) Christian; compare the doctrine of original sin. The paragraph struck me as wrong, but then may only be ambiguous; I think that given what the rest of the paragraph says, it should say unambiguously that Lombroso was a Social Darwinist.

Some note should probably be taken of eugenics, the business about Jukes and Kallikaks, and so forth, in this as well, if only by way of a see-also. -- Smerdis of Tlön 18:28, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I can't seem to find my copy of The Mismeasure of Man (too many books, not enough order), so I can't check this at the moment, but it sounds like the second sentence there is trying to say that Lombroso rejected the Classical School assumption that crime was just an aspect of human nature in general on the basis of Social Darwinism and his theory of criminality. That is, it sounds like it is just not clear and the clauses are in a more or less incorrect order. But I'd like to check this to make sure—it's the "based upon" part that I want to make sure I'm interpretting correctly (as being incorrectly worded). --Fastfission 20:04, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Russia

Lombroso is still extremely popular and well known in Russia to this day!... Strange, because if you ask an average American -- he will not have heard of Lombroso, but an average Russian will! --KpoT (talk) 01:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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Racism/influence?

The page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Italy specifically mentions Lombroso as contributing to the popularity of scientific racism. I was surprised to see nothing in this article about Lombroso that cross-references any racist intent/results/impact of his research (any or all) or other criticisms, other than the general acknowledgment that his work was discredited. For now I'm adding that link to the "See Also" section, but I'm not sure if that's the most appropriate or beneficial place... I'm hoping someone else can add a little content/context to flesh out the Lombroso article in this regard. As it stands, it seems to gloss over the fact that - even if his views were acceptable in his time - the theories he promoted were based on assumptions that would rightfully be considered blatantly racist today.

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This also really concerns me, this article glorifies him in ways that I think many people would find very uncomfortable. His research on Sicilians and Sardinians is particularly brutal, and would form the basis for over a 100 years of anti-meridionalism. The article also doesn't mention that many of the skulls he kept in wax were taken without permission and families are still trying to recover the remains of their ancestors.Paolorausch (talk) 17:38, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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Monument

Lombroso's monument in Verona redirects here but this monument (pictured) is not mentioned in the article, so in the event that a reader searches for it they'll find nothing of interest. Can or should a mention be added? If not I'll take the redirect to RfD. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:48, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

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Criminology

Make in loud 112.211.84.8 (talk) 12:14, 8 September 2022 (UTC)