Talk:Chance Rides/Archives/2013

Chance Rides should not have been split from Chance Morgan without prior discussion

From 4 August 2006‎ until 14 January 2012‎ Chance Rides was a redirect to Chance Morgan. There appears to have been no prior discussion of the content being split. The distinction between the two articles is unclear and confusing. Note that http://www.chancemorgan.com/news/images/press_releases/cr_50years_9_14_11.pdf says Chance Rides is now the marketing brand name for Chance Morgan products. The redirect should be reinstated and the Chance Morgan article updated to clarify the history of each of the several variants of the Chance name and the other companies involved, and other revisions made here incorporated there. 92.40.88.41 (talk) 01:31, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I think it's clear enough. Chance Rides is the 50 year old company with the rich history. Chance Morgan is not. Chance Morgan was a separate venture of Michael Chance. Over the past decade the companies have been integrated. My intention was to make the Chance Morgan page more about D.H. Morgan and the Chance Morgan coasters (and you added the wheels). But Chance Rides is the major company with the long history and the manufacturing facilities. All of the flat rides listed on this page were made by Chance not by Chance Morgan.

Michael Chance expected to sell mostly coasters with his new company, but that never happened. It's unfortunate that over the last decade the Chance Rides were marketed under the Chance Morgan name as that is where most of the confusion occurs. In reality the Chance Morgan brand was just supposed to be Roller Coasters, but most of what was sold were actually products of Chance Rides. Chance was building Giant Wheels long before the merger with Morgan and those two wheels you put under the Chance Morgan page are actually Chance Rides products.

If we recombine then everything D.H. Morgan should be removed and perhaps sent to another page as the bulk of the Morgan products and all the Morgan history had very little to do with Chance Rides.JlACEer (talk) 14:29, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Suggest the articles be recombined, the Chance Rides -> Chance Morgan redirect be reinstated, and the D. H. Morgan information moved to D. H. Morgan Manufacturing. 92.40.88.41 (talk) 15:52, 16 January 2012 (UTC

I like the idea of D.H. Morgan having its own page, however if everything gets moved back to the Chance Morgan page then the that page should be renamed Chance Rides as that is the name of the company that has been around for 50 years, and all those products listed are Chance Rides. If we do that, then we lose the Chance Morgan page completely. I don't think we will see anything sold under the Chance Morgan name again, unless Michael sells another large coaster, in which case it might be a Chance Morgan coaster, but then we will have lost the Chance Morgan page. Even though some material is repeated on both pages I like having the two separate pages.JlACEer (talk) 00:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

If the Chance Morgan page is moved to Chance Rides, then Chance Morgan will become a redirect to Chance Rides, so no problem. The D. H. Morgan Manufacturing article should be created ASAP regardless. 92.40.88.41 (talk) 01:47, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Chance Morgan -> Chance Rides is the complete opposite of what you suggested on 16 January.JlACEer (talk) 23:53, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Nonsense. What I said on the 16th was that Chance Rides should not have been split from Chance Morgan without prior discussion. I didn't say there was no scope for the Chance Morgan page to be moved to Chance Rides and for the redirect to be reversed. 92.40.88.41 (talk) 02:52, 20 January 2012 (UTC)