Talk:Chaoui people

Bibliographie

How do you have a bibliography if you don't have any text? What would the bibliography be used to support? Stevenmitchell (talk) 09:30, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

No thing in this article. --Calise (talk) 08:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

The physical anthropology section is garbage. Coons was a racist and is most famous for his association with the American segregationists. Someone keeps posting this nonsense. "Origin of races" is largely discredited. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carleton_S._Coon#Criticism 71.38.130.52 (talk) 04:22, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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User with IP address 105.105.35.157 who recently added the beautiful painting to the article is amazing, I could not thank you because you do not have a profile, but I hope you see this and continue to make positive contributions like that. thank you very much Potymkin (talk) 17:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Chaoui areas of concentration

@Skitash Provide sources that show Chaouis do not inhabit the areas mentioned from your last edit. the sources provided are clear and official and verifiable. Potymkin (talk) 08:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

It is not a matter of sources. Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. The content you added is badly written and contains irrelevant, redundant information that is not covered in the body of the article. This source which you just added does not even support your changes at all, while the Algeria.com (a blog) and Persee (published in 1950) sources are unreliable and outdated, respectively. Skitash (talk) 10:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

The content is not added, it had already existed for more than 10 years, the areas of concentration were 2 paragraphs instead of one thats all that changed. you have actively removed content from wikipedia article on Chaoui people, the only addition to the article is the sources which occured after you vandalized the article by removing sources and information already present in the article. Potymkin (talk) 13:12, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how long it was there for. Even if they had been added to the body, what matters is that the cited sources are all either irrelevant, unreliable, or too outdated to be useful. The information added is redundant given that "native to the Aurès region in northeastern Algeria" says the same thing in fewer words.--Launchballer 13:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

better sources for the matter can be provided from Educational institutions of Algeria like Reflections on the Linguistic Landscape and the Prospects of English Language Teaching in Algeria - Archive ouverte HAL that show areas of concentration of chaoui people in exactly the locations mentioned. Do you wish for such sources to be included in the article to keep the information or do you just wish to remove the information all together ? Potymkin (talk) 13:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think the information is due with or without a source. It's there already, just in fewer words.--Launchballer 13:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

The information conveys exact states where the population is concentrated, removal of this key information makes the idea vague as the Aures which is a mountain region in Algeria is not sufficient to convey information where the populace lives. Exact information ensures that Wikipedia articles are accurate and precise. This is particularly important in demographic data, where even small inaccuracies can lead to significant misunderstandings. Articles that use exact information are generally more detailed, informative, and useful to readers. This enhances the overall quality of Wikipedia and helps maintain the site as a reliable resource.

I think we could reach a middle ground here by suggesting a more accurate concentration of this demographic population, wouldn't you suggest we use states of algeria ? Potymkin (talk) 13:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Your source states "Tamazight consists essentially, besides an array of yet other varieties, of Chaoui (concentrated mainly in Khenchela, Batna, Oum Bouaghi, and Tebassa; with yet...". This is clearly about the Shawiya language and not the Chaoui people. This constitutes source misinterpretation on your end. Skitash (talk) 14:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Clearly the source mentions demographics as the source states the demographic percent talking about people "The Tamazight-speaking population (Amazigh or Imazighen) stands for about 35% of the Algerian population in its entirety. Tamazight consists essentially, besides an array of yet other varieties, of Chaoui (concentrated mainly in Khenchela, Batna, Oum Bouaghi, and Tebassa; with yet lesser attendance in other regions like Soug Ahrass, Setif, Annaba, and Biskra),"

here Imazighen and amazigh refers to population not language, Chaoui refers to people not language. Potymkin (talk) 14:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

A Chaoui speaker is not necessarily an ethnic Chaoui, and vice versa. Assuming otherwise is WP:OR. Regardless, adding all those provinces to the lead is redundant and unnecessary, since the lead in Aurès already indicates the provinces it spans. Skitash (talk) 14:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

no one claimed anything about a person speaking a language as being ethnic to that identity, here we are talking about Demographics not identity, you might want to continue talking about ethnicity in the Talk:Algeria#Ethnic groups Algeria. we have a different topic at hand here which is demographic distribution. Potymkin (talk) 14:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)