Talk:Chaouia (Morocco)

Article: Informations, organization

This article seems to honestly be a catastrophy. The sources it includes make no sense, and do not concord with the reality. The french version of the same article seems to be trustworthy though, and that is understandable, as its sources are orgininary of experts, historians as well as documents dating back to the french Protectorate in Morocco. I must say this article needs to be entirely revised. WildBearIsHere (talk) 19:26, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Removing ethnicity generalizations from lead

This article has been subject to non-stop disruption and editing for months (certainly by a sockpuppeteer to some extent), focused almost exclusively on ethnic terms, to the point where it's hard to track down what the original content was (see below). It's unclear that the current lead definition of the tribal confederation is properly supported by sources either, nor is the content of the tribe infobox. Since nearly all the disruption is focused on these two somewhat sketchy elements, I'm making a bold edit (this) to recommend removing this ethnic identification from the lead for now, leaving the article to focus on the geographic region as it previously did. Even the current article still focuses largely on the region rather than narrowly on the tribes, so it seems reasonable for the lead to do the same. Other suggestions welcome.

For context: Looking back in the article's history (and also comparing it with the more stable French version [1]), it seems like the article's focus was supposed to be on the region, rather than the tribal confederation. This was changed by an IP in October 2022 ([2]) to define the tribal confederation first. Following that edit, the lead summarized the confederation as composed of "Arab and Berber tribes", which seems about right according to the long-present table summarizing the tribes, but this has been consequently changed and disputed since. The IP also added an infobox that identifies the confederation as Zenata Berber, which doesn't seem clearly supported by any sources and thus might be WP:OR. R Prazeres (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2024

198.91.167.226 (talk) 03:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Fake information there us no chaouia in Morocco

 Not done: I'm pretty sure there is... that's what the whole article is about. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Etymology

In follow-up to this edit, which I initially reverted: I've checked the existing sources again (Ibn Khaldun just mentions the word in passing, he doesn't seem to actually provide an etymology) and they don't specify explicitly what language the term is from, so I've removed the identification of the language of origin altogether. It would take another reliable source that states the language of origin explicitly before we can clarify this. Given that this article has been subject to many repeated ethnicity-POV-related disruptions, this requires extra caution. Please cite the page number and quote the exact relevant passage in any new citation for this (as the existing ones do), in order for everyone (including non-Arabic readers) to be able to verify what it says. R Prazeres (talk) 20:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Minor clarification to the above: if citing an Arabic source, it's not necessary to translate it, but quoting it is highly recommended (so Arabic readers can verify it at a glance and non-Arabic readers can translate it on their own if needed). R Prazeres (talk) 20:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)