Talk:Charles Sanford Terry (historian)

Mother's name

I suggest that it is extremely unlikely that his mother's name was "Newport Pagnell Terry", even though this is what the AAAS obituary claims. It seems much more likely that the obituarist misinterpreted his father's place of residence, given as Newport Pagnell in several other sources, of which I have given two. Quotient group (talk) 22:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

It is in the obituary here [1], which was erroneous. His mother was Ellen Octavia Prichard, daughter of Octavius Thomas Prichard, a physician who worked in Northampton, including Abington Park (ODNB). If Quotient group (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) continues with this wikistalking, his account is likely to be indefinitely blocked. CST died at home in Aberdeen; there doesn't seem to be any point in giving the name of his home, as it is not even a village. Mathsci (talk) 00:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, his home was in the suburb of Cults, Aberdeenshire. I see no reason to suppress his home address entirely, be it "Westerton of Pitfoldels" or "23 Railway Cuttings", though, so have inserted that in the proper place. Was his mother's father Thomas Octavius Prichard of Abington Abbey? If so, a link might be in order. In any case it seems unlikely that he lived at Abingdon Abbey, which was in ruins in the 19th century. What does ODNB say? By the way, please observe WP:TPNO. Quotient group (talk) 22:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

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Opinion: I think that the information removed in this edit ought to be restored. It adds depth and texture to the article and is in no way inappropriate.

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What next? Perhaps a WP:ANI report on Quotient group (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for wikistalking. This article was created because of Terry's commentary on Bach's Canonic Variations and for no other purpose. QG has been following me around in a rather creepy way. He appears to have little or no interest in WikiProject Music beyond my own contributions. All his contributions to wikipedia are creepy. Perhaps his editing privileges should be restricted if he is gaming the system and wikistalking. From his editing patterns, he seems to be the same editor as A.K.Nole (talk · contribs) and Dewey process (talk · contribs). Mathsci (talk) 01:18, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to User:TransporterMan for his comment. Let's examine the response. "This article was created because ..." suggests that the intentions of the creator (Mathsci) have some special weight in determining how it is subsequently edited. Not so. "... and for no other purpose" suggests again some special restriction of purpose for articles on academic historians not supported by any Wikipedia policy as far as I can see. They would seem to boil down to "I don't like it". The remainder of the response seems to be baseless personal attack with no place here and not worth considering. I have not yet seen a valid reason to remove well-sourced and encyclopaedic content. Quotient group (talk) 21:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, there it is, the article was a spin-off of the Bach article Canonic Variations on "Vom Himmel hoch da komm' ich her": unsurprisingly because Terry is of course still regarded as one of the greatest commentators on J.S. Bach, even if some caution has to be exercised when using his writings. I don't know why you're trying to get into a little argument about why the article was created. I'm greatly flattered that a young person is following the articles that I created and that that young person has been stimulated to create new spin-off articles. Your editing style, mode of expression and forum shopping remind me of those of Rhomb (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and A.K.Nole (talk · contribs). Are or were these by any chance alternative accounts of you or any of your friends? Mathsci (talk) 01:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

We seem to be in agreement that the original reasons for creation of the article are irrelevant to the question of whether the sentence "He died on 5 November 1936 at his home, "Westerton of Pitfodels" in Cults, a suburb of Aberdeen", with its three supporting references "Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 26, Americana Corp., 1966, p. 449Weber 2004, p. 51Blom 2008, p. 600", should be included in the article -- that's progress. It seems there is finally consensus for its inclusion. (BTW, speculation about other editors' personal details is not relevant here, again please review WP:TPNO.) Quotient group (talk) 22:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

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