Talk:Charles Woodson

Heisman Trophy

Article states Woodsman is - the most recent player to win the Heisman who was not either a running back or quarterback. This is no longer correct as a wide receiver has just won the Heisman Trophy (DeVonta Smith) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:485:DA01:C2B:2245:BE77:4D63 (talk) 01:19, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Franchise designation

The article states that CW twice agreed to be designated the franchise player by the Raiders. This is an oxymoron. Teams designate franchise players after the end of a contract & before the start of free agency when the 2 parties are unable to agree upon the terms of a new contract. The player then has the choice of playing for 1 year at the average of the 5 highest paid players at their position or not playing - and not getting paid - that season. If there was an agreement between the Raiders & CW, the franchise "tag" would have been removed. The substance of the negotiations between the Raiders & CW are not public knowledge & would probably be reported differently by the 2 parties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hooded swan (talk • contribs) 02:43, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Contract extension

Information added regarding Woodson's contract extension signed September 9, 2010, with citation. It also states that the contract's intention is to ensure he retires as a Green Bay Packer, and this IS a valid statement, however I do not know if it belongs on wikipedia. 173.216.200.145 (talk) 15:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Family

This article should mention his wife, April, and two children.Dfmayes (talk) 16:22, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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Defensive back in lead

There's been churn in the lead sentence over mentioning that he's a defensive back.[1] He played cornerback for most of his career, moving to safety in his last few seasons. It seems a reasonable generic description to have "defensive back" in the lead sentence, while the rest of the lead can detail the multiple positions. —Bagumba (talk) 07:54, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Agree, the old version of the article's first sentence reads better thhan the current's first sentence. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 08:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: The current version reads: "was a defensive back". The old (reverted) version had "was a cornerback and safety" in the lead sentence. To be clear, did you prefer w/ DB or not?—Bagumba (talk) 08:15, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

With WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 08:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Heisman vs. All-American in the lead

@Centurion Seraph: I legitimately do not understand your insistence to adding All-American honors to the lead. Woodson won the Heisman Trophy, the top college honor. There is only one Heisman winner every year. You can't say the same thing about All-American recipients. All you are doing is burying Woodson's top honor underneath less notable accolades.

Also, I'd recommend you not falsely accuse others of vandalism unless you want to be reported for a WP:CIVIL violation. Bluerules (talk) 23:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

The Heisman Trophy is for one year, accolades span his three year career. Not one season. Secondly, you’re also deleting his national championship, which directly ties to his Heisman. He would not have won the individual award had it not also been for the teams’s success in 1997.

A national championship is the entire reason the game is played, the Heisman is a secondary recognition. It’s not inherently more important by any definition (being an individual award does not make it more or less important than the main objective in the sport). Especially to negate all other career accomplishments.

You are deliberately deleting information, knowing it is and has being objected to for some time. Centurion Seraph (talk) 00:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Trying to discredit the Heisman Trophy because it's for "one year" is like trying to argue Leonardo DiCaprio's three Teen Choice Awards hold more weight than his one Academy Award. The amount of other awards means nothing when compared to the most significant awards. The Heisman Trophy is the top collegiate honor, period. Only one player gets the Heisman each year. It is the top honor Woodson earned, making it the honor that most defined his college career.

Secondly, the national championship is a team award, not a player award. You have provided no evidence for Woodson winning the Heisman because of his team's success (and the amount of Heisman winners who weren't on championship-winning teams tells a different story).

A national championship is a team effort. The Heisman is a player effort. The Heisman is the top recognition for a college football player. This is clearly a player's article, not a team's article. It is inherently more important because articles about players are actually supposed to be about players and what they accomplished. The team's main objective in the sport is irrelevant when this article is not about the Michigan Wolverines, it's about Charles Woodson. When it's about Charles Woodson, his individual awards are more important than team awards. The other awards are not negated; they're in the infobox. But to cram them all into the lead is WP:UNDUE content that buries the more important information.

You are adding unnecessary content without any regard for how that harms the article. His college HOF page starts with his Heisman win for a reason. That's the most notable part of his college career; if anything else has to be added, it belongs lower in the lead. Bluerules (talk) 03:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)