Talk:Chase Coleman III

Political contributions

I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Chase Coleman, I'd like to propose the follow updates and additions to the article. To mitigate conflict of interest issues, I ask that an editor please review and either give feedback and/or edit accordingly.

Coleman has made several contributions to Democratic candidates (see references below) in the past year. Because of this, it would be more accurate in the lead paragraph to either delete the mention of political contributions, or amend it to say:

...he has made political contributions to the Republican and Democratic parties.

In the “Political activity” section, I propose adding:

He has also given to Democratic candidates, including $10,000 to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, $4,950 to Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer, and $2,700 to New York Senator Chuck Schumer.

NinaSpezz (talk) 21:07, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

References

• Hi. I don't think your links are very good, or WP:BLP suitable - they include personal details. See WP:BLPPRIMARY - I agree that he has been donating to the democrats but it would be good to have a WP:SECONDARY press report to link to? Govindaharihari (talk) 04:54, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

@Govindaharihari: Thank you for your feedback. Appreciate the insight. I'd like to address a couple other issues on this page.

The wikilink in the info box for "Tiger Global Management" is redirecting to Tiger Management, a different and completely separate firm. Hyperlinking "Tiger Global Management" to a different firm is misleading and I believe that wikilink should be removed.

In addition, some of the language used to describe Coleman in the first two sentences is inaccurate. Coleman has been described in recent media coverage as a money manager [1] as well as Tiger Global Management's founder [2][3][4] and not as a hedge fund manager or managing partner of Tiger Global Management. Neither "hedge fund manager" nor "managing partner" are supported by the citations currently used on the page.

Would you mind taking a look and editing accordingly or giving feedback on these issues? Thanks in advance. NinaSpezz (talk) 20:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

• Hi again User:NinaSpezz I removed the link to the tiger page, he is mentioned there but only saying one"seeded funds is Tiger Global Management" perhaps associated but a link to the page seems undue and misleading to me. See here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiger_Global_Management&action=history Tiger Global Management has been redirected to Tiger Management by User:Vipul in May 2014 , it is possible this redirect is misleading, if it is then we will need to recommend it for a deletion discussion.Govindaharihari (talk) 02:38, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
• I made the changes to the header section according to your provided wikipedia:reliable sources Govindaharihari (talk) 03:02, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

@Govindaharihari: Thank you for reviewing my request and making these changes. There is a typo in the first sentence - a stray "a" before "money manager." In addition, the wikilink of "Tiger Global Management" in the first sentence is still redirecting to Tiger Management. Would you mind if I corrected these two issues? I agree the redirect is misleading as the two firms are different and separate. NinaSpezz (talk) 00:27, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

done now, we will need to delete that internal

wiki link Govindaharihari (talk) 02:13, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

@Govindaharihari: Thank you. I just removed a stray period from the 1st sentence of the page. Your assistance on this is greatly appreciated. NinaSpezz (talk) 13:34, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Lead, occupation & title

Have not heard from editor who made the original edits in question. Hoping someone can help out with request below. NinaSpezz (talk) 13:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

@Edwardx: - You recently made updates to this page's lead section as well as the subject's occupation, and title at Tiger Global Management. I'd like to address a couple inaccuracies. Please note I work for Rubenstein and am addressing these page issues on behalf of Chase Coleman.

To describe Coleman as simply a hedge fund manager is inaccurate. Coleman is an investor in both venture capital (which is private equity) through ten dedicated venture capital funds and the public stock market (public equities) through a hedge fund and a long-only fund.

This Forbes profile explains that while Coleman started out as a hedge fund investor, his Tiger Global Management has evolved into a broader investment firm. [5]

In addition, Chase Coleman is the founder of Tiger Global, not the CEO. There is no CEO position at Tiger Global nor has there ever been one. Please refer to the following links for evidence of this:

• “Tiger Global to Revamp Management,” The New York Times, May 18, 2015. [6]
• Chase Coleman profile in Forbes: [7]
• Reference in Bloomberg story on Chinese women venture capitalists: [8]

NinaSpezz (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Reply 22-MAY-2018

 Done

1. References to the subject being a CEO were removed.
2. The subject was referred to as an investor in the lead section.
3. Several areas of text were identified as existing verbatim at Investor Almanac. It is unknown whether this is a mirror site for Wikipedia or not, meaning there is no certainty whether the information was taken from Wikipedia and placed on Investor Almanac, or vice versa. A list of the suspect text may be seen here.
4. In light of this uncertainty, the Close paraphrasing maintenance template was affixed to the article.
5. A few minor sentences with slight peacock phrasing were omitted.

.spintendo  03:33, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Maintenance template & occupation

The close paraphrasing template, I believe, is unecessary as the Investor Almanac page is a likely mirror site, dated March 30, 2018. The text in question was present on Wikipedia long before March 2018.

Also, since my previous request was answered (above), occupation in infobox was changed from "investor" back to "hedge fund manager". I'd like to reiterate that to describe Coleman as a hedge fund manager is inaccurate. Coleman is an investor in both venture capital (which is private equity) through ten dedicated venture capital funds and the public stock market (public equities) through a hedge fund and a long-only fund. This Forbes profile explains that while Coleman started out as a hedge fund investor, his Tiger Global Management has evolved into a broader investment firm. [9]

NinaSpezz (talk) 18:48, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply 18-JUN-2018

It would be best to raise these concerns with the editor who made that change, in this case Edwardx. Their participation is crucial to resolving any issues about the subject's title, and the discussion would benefit from their input. As far as Investor Almanac, the website's obvious lack of sophistication pointing it to be a mirror is plentiful, so I'll remove the paraphrasing template. However, the article has additional issues with its use of Daily Mail and the claim regarding Facebook. (See below).  spintendo  23:34, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Spintendo: No word from the editor who made the change and I pinged their talk page last week. Any chance you can consider the above request to correct 1st sentence on the page in addition to the occupation in the infobox? NinaSpezz (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Disputed content / Use of Daily Mail as a source 18-JUN-2018

The Daily Mail source, which is unreliable per RFC #220, is the source of the "early investor in Facebook" claim. But that claim is disputed by Bloomberg, who states that Accel Partners was the early investor in Facebook, and that Coleman was following their lead, only much later. The relevant text is shown below. My question asks should this content be removed?  spintendo  23:34, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Comparison of texts

Text as it appears in the Wikipedia article / Daily Mail source	Text as it appears in the Bloomberg Material
Coleman serves as managing partner of Tiger Global Management. The hedge fund was an early investor in Facebook, and sold its stake in 2013 for an estimated $1 billion.	Tiger Global was confident in GetJar partly because Accel Partners, an early investor in Facebook, had already bought in, Laurs says. Tiger has followed or invested alongside Accel in at least six companies.

@Spintendo: This Bloomberg article states, "Tiger Global was an early investor in both Facebook Inc. and LinkedIn Corp." Please note, Tiger Global was the early investor, not Coleman. Please also note Daily Mail is used as reference for other claims on the page, which should perhaps be removed in order to remove the unreliable sources tag. NinaSpezz (talk) 19:54, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

References

14-JUL-2018 Edits

The following edits have been made to the article:

1. The Daily Mail has been removed as source for this article.
2. Octafinance, a website run from the country of Belize, has been removed as a source for this article.
3. The quote regarding Feroz Dewan was not attributable to the Forbes source provided under that reference note, thus a CN tag was added.
4. The information regarding the donations to Cuomo could not be located with the references provided. A CN tag was added to this claim.
5. The mentioning of early investment in Facebook was moved out of the lead, as this is a detail concerning Tiger more so than it is a topic concerning Coleman.
6. Instances where 3 or 4 ref notes were used to verify information was tightened to use only the immediately relevant sources. For example, the Forbes source confirms that the subject went to Williams college, but it does not confirm the subject's Lacrosse involvement. Thus the ref note does not need to be placed following the Lacrosse mention, which is already covered by the Effinger source. (See WP:TOOMANYREFS.)
7. Duplicate Wikilinks were removed. Secondary — and in some cases, tertiary — WikiLinks to items such as New York City, Upper East Side, Forbes, Tiger Management, and US Dollar were all omitted. (See WP:LINKCRISIS.)
8. Information on fellow Williams graduates was omitted.
9. The Unreliable sources maintenance template was removed.

 spintendo  17:35, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Occupation and Title

Been through this before (see Lead, occupation, & title discussion above), but attempts to involve editor who reverted prior requested edits have gone unanswered in over a month. Please note I work for Rubenstein and am addressing these page issues on behalf of Chase Coleman.

In the lead sentence and info box, to describe Coleman as simply a hedge fund manager is inaccurate. Coleman is an investor in both venture capital (which is private equity) through ten dedicated venture capital funds and the public stock market (public equities) through a hedge fund and a long-only fund.

This Forbes profile explains that while Coleman started out as a hedge fund investor, his Tiger Global Management has evolved into a broader investment firm. [10]

In addition, Chase Coleman is founder and partner at Tiger Global, not managing partner as stated in the first sentence of the second paragraph in the Investment Career section.

Please refer to the following links for evidence of this:

• “Tiger Global to Revamp Management,” The New York Times, May 18, 2015. [11]
• Chase Coleman profile in Forbes: [12]
• Reference in Bloomberg story on Chinese women venture capitalists: [13]

NinaSpezz (talk) 21:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 25-JUL-2018

The article's occupation nomenclature was revised

The subject is now referred to as an investor in the infobox, the lead, and a third area in the article. As a hedge fund is a form of investing, the term "investor" should be able to act as an umbrella term covering all possible variants. Any dissenting opinions are encouraged to speak out here on the matter, if they like. (This includes suggestions on a new lead section, as it now needs expanding.) Any input would be much appreciated!  spintendo  04:23, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced Content

I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Chase Coleman, I'd like to remove the below sentence from the Investment career section of this article as it lacks a citation and therefore does not adhere to Wikipedia’s Verifiability content policy.

In June 2015, Tiger Global's hedge fund manager of many years and former partner of Coleman, Feroz Dewan, left Tiger Global to start his own investment firm, a "major setback" for Coleman, according to Forbes.

NinaSpezz (talk) 14:33, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Done. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:32, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Roman numeral suffix

I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Chase Coleman, I would like to raise the point that the use of the Roman numeral suffix with anything other than Chase's full birth name (Charles Payson Coleman III) is incorrect. Would it be possible to remove "III" from instances of "Chase Coleman" - in the article title and name as it appears in the infobox. I understand the need for a differentiator to avoid confusion with the actor who shares the same name, but there are other disambiguation techniques on Wikipedia besides misuse of the Roman numeral suffix. NinaSpezz (talk) 19:10, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 09-JUN-2019

  Please use WP:RMCM  

• Any request to change an article's title should be submitted using the {{requested move}} template specifically as a controversial move request process requiring discussion amongst the wider community.
• A controversial requested move typically takes about 7 days to complete.
• Before taking this step, please ensure that you are well acquainted with the requested move process by thoroughly reviewing its procedures.
• More information can be found at requested moves.
  Regards,  Spintendo  08:24, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Edit to lead + clarification in Early life an education

I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Chase Coleman, I'd like to remove "financial" from the lead sentence in order to simplify the sentence. In this case, there is no difference between an investor and a financial investor. Other prominent American investors are described as just that in the lead sentences of their Wikipedia pages.

I would also like to clarify the name of Coleman's grandmother in the 2nd paragraph of the Early life and education section. Would like for that sentence to say:

He was married to Mimi C. Thompson (née Louise Stuyvesant Wainwright, died 1996)...

Her married and given names are described in her New York Times obituary already being used as a citation for that paragraph.

NinaSpezz (talk) 16:12, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Reply 19-AUG-2019

  Edit request implemented    Spintendo  01:09, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Early life and education

I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Chase Coleman, I'd like to add the following to the end of the second paragraph in the Early life and education section.

Thompson was a trustee of Hofstra University in Hempstead, NY, and also a past chairwoman of Planned Parenthood of New York City.

I'd also like to amend the last sentence in the section to include "co-captain of" (the lacrosse team) using this citation:

NinaSpezz (talk) 16:30, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Reply 21-AUG-2019

  Edit request declined  

• The first claim does not contain dates and the second claim does not specify the verbatim text to be placed in the article.

Regards,  Spintendo  21:50, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Revised request

Revising my request per feedback above. Please note my COI disclosure.

I'd like to add the following to the end of the second paragraph in the Early life and education section.

Thompson was a trustee of Hofstra University in Hempstead, NY, and from 1983 to 1987 served as chairwoman of Planned Parenthood of New York City.

I'd also like to amend the last sentence in the Early life and education section to say:

He graduated from Williams College in 1997, where he was co-captain of the lacrosse team.

NinaSpezz (talk) 13:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Reply 22-AUG-2019

  Edit request partially implemented  

1. Y The claim regarding Williams College was updated.
2. N The claim regarding Ms. Thompson was not added, as those additional elements are germane to her, and not to Mr. Coleman.

Regards,  Spintendo  19:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Notes

Investment career

I work for Rubenstein and on behalf of Chase Coleman, I'd like to expand the beginning of the second paragraph in the Investment career section to read:

Extended content
Coleman serves as partner of the investment firm he founded, Tiger Global Management, which started out as a hedge fund and was initially called Tiger Technology. In the early 2000s, Coleman began investing in private companies as well. The venture capital arm is its largest business with an annualized return of 25%. ... References

NinaSpezz (talk) 19:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Reply 27-AUG-2019

  Edit request declined  

1. Coleman serves as partner of the investment firm he founded, Tiger Global Management This item is already included in the article.
2. which started out as a hedge fund This item is germane to the article on Tiger Global.
3. In the early 2000s, Coleman began investing in private companies as well This is unclear what is meant by the word investing, nor does it state which companies were invested in.
4. The venture capital arm is its largest business with an annualized return of 25% these financials are germane to whichever financial company is being referred to here.

Regards,  Spintendo  02:29, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Occupation

Please note I work for Rubenstein and am addressing this issue on behalf of Chase Coleman. I have raised the issue of how to describe Coleman's occupation several times in the past (see most recent Occupation and Title discussion above). I reached out on the talk page of @Edwardx:, who made the most recent occupation edit, but have not heard back in over two weeks.

In the lead sentence and info box, to describe Coleman as simply a hedge fund manager is inaccurate. Coleman is an investor in both venture capital (which is private equity) through 11 dedicated venture capital funds and the public stock market (public equities) through a hedge fund and a long-only fund. In the past, "investor" was used as a more accurate umbrella term to describe Coleman's occupation in the lead section as well as the infobox.

This Forbes profile explains that while Coleman started out as a hedge fund investor, his Tiger Global Management has evolved into a broader investment firm. [14]

NinaSpezz (talk) 18:11, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

The inclusion of the word hedge fund in the description of the subject's occupation gives more information than does the generic investor — not to mention the fact that the majority of the article discusses their work in the context of hedge funds, i.e., Tiger Global Management, which itself is described on its Wikipedia page as an American hedge fund. If the subject no longer performs any work whatsoever involving hedge funds, please advise, in which case they would best be described as "an investor and former hedge fund manager". Regards,  Spintendo  18:45, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

@Spintendo: The Wikipedia page you refer to is for Tiger Management, not Tiger Global Management. Tiger Management is a distinct and completely separate entity. Tiger Management was founded in 1980 by Julian Robertson. Any links and redirects to the Tiger Management Wikipedia page should be removed to avoid confusion.

Founded in 2001 by Chase Coleman as Tiger Technology, Coleman's firm later changed its name to Tiger Global Management. Tiger Global manages $36B in assets. More than half of that total is managed by its private business. The hedge fund comprises just $11B of the firm's $36B in assets. Note the private equity business is significantly larger – and thus more economically significant – than the hedge fund business. NinaSpezz (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Any links and redirects to the Tiger Management Wikipedia page should be removed to avoid confusion. I've left a message for the editor who created the redirect of TGM to TM on their talk page. Hopefully they'll let us know if there is a mistake so we can fix it. Regards,  Spintendo  16:36, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@Spintendo: Thank you! There is still the oustanding issue of Coleman being described as simply a hedge fund manager in the lead section when Tiger Global Management's hedge fund comprises just $11B of the firm's $36B in assets. NinaSpezz (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

As the question of whether the subject is being described correctly at the Tiger management page is inextricably linked to the question of whether these are two different companies, one cannot be answered without clarification from the other, which is pending feedback from the editor who made the redirect. Regards,  Spintendo  18:51, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

@Spintendo: No word from the editor who made the redirect in more than two weeks, though it appears they've been active on Wikipedia. Here are a couple more recent articles that speak to how Tiger Management was founded in 1980 by Julian Robertson and Tiger Global Management is a separate entity founded in 2001 by Chase Coleman. NinaSpezz (talk) 17:00, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

As there has been no response from the editor who created it, the COI editor is encouraged to make use of the WP:RFD process in order to have the redirect deleted. Regards,  Spintendo  04:51, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

References

Revisiting Occupation Description

Please note I work for Rubenstein and am addressing this issue on behalf of Chase Coleman. I have raised the issue of how to describe Coleman's occupation several times in the past and most recently there was a discussion about links to Coleman's firm Tiger Global Management incorrectly redirecting to a different company, which has since been resolved.

In the lead sentence and info box, to describe Coleman as simply a hedge fund manager is inaccurate. In the past, "investor" was used as a more accurate umbrella term to describe Coleman's occupation in the lead section as well as the infobox.

Coleman’s firm is an investor in both venture capital (which is private equity) through 11 dedicated venture capital funds and the public stock market (public equities) through a hedge fund and a long-only fund.

This Forbes profile explains that while Coleman started out as a hedge fund investor, his Tiger Global Management has evolved into a broader investment firm.

A recent WSJ article describes Tiger Global Management as a "New York investment firm" as well as a "prominent venture- and hedge-funde investor". In also notes private equity makes up the bulk of the firm's assets under management.

A recent Bloomberg article notes venture capital investments make up half of the firm's $36B assets under management while the hedge fund comprises about $10B, less than 1/3rd of the assets under management. The remainder of the firm's assets under management are in the long-only fund.

NinaSpezz (talk) 15:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

References

Reply 26-FEB-2020

  Edit request implemented  

• The term investor has been added to the article.

Regards,  Spintendo  19:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC)