Talk:Chatsworth House

Renaming proposal

This article is called "Chatsworth House" but it is about much more than that, as at least half of it is about the gardens and estate, which are a also large part of its attraction. I propose that the name be changed to 'Chatsworth Estate' or 'Chatsworth house and gardens' to reflect the content of the article. This would, of course, mean that a redirect page from 'Chatsworth House' would be created, so that anyone entering that name in the search box would be redirected to this article. Richerman (talk) 00:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I take your point, maybe Chatsworth Estate would be better, given the article's scope. But Chatsworth House is by far the better search term. - Highfields (talk, contribs) 20:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Scouting Events

I would like to propose that a short referral should be added regarding the large international scouting camps that were held in the park, most notably 'peak 80' and 'peak 95', each with several thousand participants from around the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.3.88.23 (talk • contribs) 14:16, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I'd say these events probably aren't notable in the context of the history of Chatsworth. There have been lots of outdoor concerts at Chatsworth, and doubtless other gatherings over the years, that have also attracted thousands but aren't mentioned. But I don't feel particularly strongly. If you decide to go ahead, maybe rename the section "Country Fair" to "Events" and add it there. Doesn't warrant more than a sentence or two, anyway. Dave.Dunford (talk) 15:18, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

If a reliable source mentions the camps, that would confirm notability. I suspect however that due to the historical nature of the camps, sources may be hard to come by. On a slightly broader point, having an "Events" section would enable easy expansion of info about the horse trials (plus any other notable happenings), so perhaps makes sense anyway, regardless of whether or not the scout camps are added. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:41, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Treatment of staff

There is no mention in the article about the problems faced by staff, particularly in the catering and retail areas, caused by the anti social hours they are forced to work, for low remuneration. This is as interesting to readers as what the facade looks like or what the current duke is doing, surely. Staff are constantly resigning due to poor higher level management. Neutron230 (talk) 07:21, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like a mixture of original research, opinion and recentism to me, I'm afraid. Even if you found a reliable source to back up your claims, it's debatable whether the accusations are sufficiently notable to warrant mention in a fairly short article about a centuries-old building. In short, I don't think it should go in. Dave.Dunford (talk) 08:41, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Catering staff are notoriously low paid in the UK and in many other places too, so it's not really worthy of mention - rather like saying " the trees in the park have green leaves in summer." If they are exceptionally poorly paid at Chatsworth and there is a history of staffing disputes then it needs to be referenced and impartial. Giano (talk) 17:57, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Pronunciation

@Bmcln1: You do realize that ɜː is converted to /ɜːr/ by IPAc-en anyway, right? That's what the diaphonemic system is. It accounts for most major varieties of English, so we don't need separate ones for each accent. /ɜːr/ in this case represents not a "rhotic sound", but rather "the vowel in words like NURSE". --maczkopeti (talk) 09:43, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I see (sort of). Bmcln1 (talk) 10:22, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Bmcln1: Scotland and Northern Ireland are part of the United Kingdom too, and they have plenty of rhotic speakers. Also, adding a UK English tag doesn't mean the pronunciation has to be UK-specific. Most UK and US-specific articles still use a diaphonemic notation. --maczkopeti (talk) 18:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I wonder if anyone, other than those who add these aids de pronunciation, has the foggiest idea how these odd signs and symbols are supposed to tell us how to pronounce a word. For the record it is “Chats” to rhyme with cats, and then “worth” to rhyme with turf, with the emphasis on the first syllable. Is that what the odd text is telling us? Giano (talk) 20:08, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, those rhymes are correct. Bmcln1 (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

They do look complicated, but if you hover the cursor over each of the symbols you get a simple explanation of how they sound. Richerman (talk) 21:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Giano: And also, there is the {{Respell}} template which goes according to Help:RESPELL that can be an aid for non-IPA readers. — ^{oi yeah nah mate} amazingJUSSO ... [ɡəˈdæɪ̯]! 02:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I would consider removing the pronunciation altogether. I don't think anyone would pronounce chats and worth differently. --maczkopeti (talk) 07:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Maczkopeti: Good idea. This should hopefully remove all conflicts.

@Bmcln1: I'm from Australia — where /ɜːr/ is also pronounced as /ɜː/. However I can completely understand the need of flexibility of rhotic transcriptions yet being compact at the same time. — ^{oi yeah nah mate} amazingJUSSO ... [ɡəˈdæɪ̯]! 11:45, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Somerimes life does seem to become unnecessarily complicated. Of course, there is always the chance a French person could happen upon the article, in which case “Chat”could be made to rhyme with “Shat”, which would be a pity. Giano (talk) 13:07, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

The transcription is signaled as phonemic / /, not phonetic [ ]. The /r/ should there. And it does no harm whatsoever to give the affricate, which may not be obvious to all. --47.32.20.133 (talk) 15:41, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Giano: True that, but this is the English version of Wikipedia, which is aimed at English-language speakers (i.e. following the rules of English). Besides, a French person would more likely visit their own language Wikipedia, so wouldn't they have their own pronunciation guides as well as a localised pronunciation in French? This would surely make life an improvement should specific languages be distinguished! — ^{oi yeah nah mate} amazingJUSSO ... [ɡəˈdæɪ̯]! 19:07, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't follow. The issue is pronunciation of Chatsworth in English. Native speakers are all, or almost all, going to guess that <ch> is representing the affricate. Most non-natives with basic knowledge of English will, too. But given charade, chandelier, chaos, charisma (etc.), there's no reason not to make it absolutely clear. --47.32.20.133 (talk) 22:01, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Pinery missing from Duke's garden sections

Pineapple pit built 1738, renovated in 1828.[1] Viriditas (talk) 21:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)