Talk:Chechens

Chechen myths

Dear Chechens, if you translate something from encyclopedia, please don't doing it so subjectively. For example, why don't you write this sentence "В обыкновенное время идеал Ч. — грабеж"-"at the usual time chechens ideal - it's robbery"? http://gatchina3000.ru/brockhaus-and-efron-encyclopedic-dictionary/113/113665.htm

Russian as a second language

RedBull1984 Hello lets come to a consensus in here, i believe my last edit was more than enough (aka the edit saying Russian is a second language to Chechens in Russia). There are Hundreds of thousands of Chechens outside of Russia that dont speak Russian as a second language, diaspora in Middle east (around 50.000), Turkey (100.000), Europe (Around 150.000 or more). Only ones that speak it as a second language outside of Russia is the small communities in Ukraine and Kazakhstan. So i propose we change it back to my previous edit but changed it to "in former soviet countries" instead of in Russia. Goddard2000 (talk) 14:22, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Calthinus Hello since you have been involved with previous edits in here i thought we could ask you what you think. Should Russian be added into the Chechen people language section? and if yes dont you think it would be fair to note that Russian is spoken mainly by those that live in former USSR countries like in my edit? It would be unfair to the hundreds and thousands of Chechens outside of former USSR countries that do not understand Russian at all. Since i suspect my last edit will be reverted i won't edit anything more until i hear what you think. Goddard2000 (talk) 14:41, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I actually think yes, Russian should be there. Why? Because Russian is an important medium for Chechens. Internet forums for discussion issues related to Chechens among Chechens alternate between using Chechen and Russian. They do not use English or Turkish or Arabic. There are major works written for consumption by Chechens about Chechen history, Chechen culture, Chechen nationhood... written in Russian. This goes a ways back too: it started over a century ago. Actually this is regrettableː as one Israeli writer once remarked, trying to express your own identity in a foreign language is like talking through a veil spread over your mouth (perhaps the analogy should be updated to "talking with a covid mask on"). Nevertheless, you see Russian is a major means of communication between Chechens, even if it is not the first language for most and not considered the mother language for any substantial number. Of course, Chechen should be listed first.--Calthinus (talk) 16:21, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Calthinus I do not mind Russian being there that much but dont you think we should note that its in former USSR countries? there are huge Chechen diasporas that have never used Russian in their life in Turkey & Middle east. I talk to the diaspora from there a lot and they obviously dont know a single word of Russian. Same in Europe the majority know somewhat Russian due to being recent immigrants but majority can't even hold proper conversations in Russian, more so they know English. Can you look at my previous edit and see what you think? i based it off on the Kazakh page which noted that Russian was spoken in Russian & Kazakhstan and Chinese in China by the minorities there. Goddard2000 (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Goddard2000 in the diaspora, Chechens don't speak Russian, sure, but many don't even speak Chechen very well if it all either thanks to Turkification, Kurdification, Arabization, whatever (the diaspora in Georgia and Azerbaijan... likely also speaks Russian, among the educated at least). If diaspora Chechens from Turkey/the Levant/etc want to contribute to Chechen studies, they will probably have to learn Russian (... and in some cases, Chechen...). Actually the Kazakh page is misleading and should be fixed, because there are a non-trivial number of Kazakhs in certain parts of Kazakhstan who speak Russian much better than their rather broken Kazakh that they pretend to speak well for identity reasons yet ... never... use it much, cf what you see in Ukraine and especially Belarusians and Volga Tatars and their neighbors. That the page treats Russian as merely an "L2" and dodges the fact that many Kazakhs actually lack proficiency in Kazakh even if they speak a broken version of it at home with grandparents... smacks of nationalism). Of course, this isn't hte case for Chechens at least in Chechnya nearly as much. I'd be fine with putting Russian as L2 like the Kazakh page does. But definitely not putting Turkish or whatever where Chinese is -- Russian clearly has a role that no other language besides Chechen does. --Calthinus (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Ofc, i will revert it back to my edit then. Goddard2000 (talk) 11:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Calthinus, but those Chechens would use Chechen words for those concepts that do not exist in Russian right? Rolando 1208 (talk) 15:31, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

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Chechen flag

Why isn't the Chechen flag displayed prominently in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.110.20 (talk) 17:12, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Lock

Is it possible to have this page locked for some period? I've seen an increase of incorrect information added to this page lately, it's getting a bit ridiculous. JET 20 (talk) 02:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I only see one user being disruptive recently so this is not enough for WP:RPP. Mellk (talk) 03:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)