Talk:Cheese-eating surrender monkeys

Why doesn't this article neither link nor mention the historic anti-French Hartlepool monkey hanging?

Stop being so soft on the French imperialistic ego Monkey_hanger

Links to articles about 2003 War in Iraq : Referencing the refusal of France to the War in Irak that raised the joke popularity

It is very probably there would not even be an article for a "simple joke" (particularly from a cartoon, we're not talking here about Chaplin or some historical landscape in the history of comedy) if it had not turn way more popular after 2003 and the refusal of France to join the war in Iraq. Most certainly this joke was quite popular before 2003 but it has gained some kind of iconic/pop-culture/meme dimension since then. Besides, this article already references some anti-French feelings directly linked to 2003 Iraq war such as the Freedom fries. That's why I think it would be particularly fit and relevant to add additional Wikipedia-internal-link at the end, such as the following : 1) War in Iraq 2) Opposition to the war in Iraq 3) UN Security council and the war in Iraq 128.79.169.207 (talk) 17:27, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

/* Use */ Removed un-sourced, non-sensical statement...

I removed the following statement in the "Other Uses" paragraph:

"In December 2005, Nigel Farage said of the then–French President, Jacques Chirac, "No cheese-eating surrender monkey, he", in his unflattering comparison to then–Prime Minister Tony Blair, during a European Parliament session"

First, there is no source for this quote. Second, "No cheese-eating surrender monkey, he", seams like it was translated with a really bad translator. Since there is no cite the source, and no way to repair it correctly, I removed the sentence. This statement was included on April 11, 2015 during a massive rewrite of the page. Dinkytown talk 16:55, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

On the contrary, those are the exact words used by Farage in the following sentence: "This budget deal is game, set, and match to President Chirac, no cheese eating surrender monkey he!" The "No [qualification], he" is a somewhat archaic, but well-established use of English. Nick Cooper (talk) 16:24, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

This article is missing information about relevant French history of surrendering such as the Armistice of 22 June 1940. Please expand the article to include this information. Further details may exist on the talk page. (July 2023)

I'm going to remove the above notice from the top of the article, once I've explained why. 1) There's been no such discussion on the talk page in the last 10+ years. (Looking at talk page archive, it seems this article was a much more contentious subject 15-20 years ago, and some editors at the time perhaps thought it was relevant.) 2. While it's entirely possible that the Simpsons writers and later political commentators had the Battle of France in mind when using the phrase, I'm doubtful that a reliable source could be found for this, and the claim is just original research without that. 3. Most importantly, French military history is entirely irrelevant to this article. Put another way, this article doesn't need to weigh in on whether the phrase is a fair criticism of the French, just its origin and usage. CAVincent (talk) 05:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)