Talk:Cheshire Lines Committee

Liverpool Central

I don't think it is accurate to state that Liverpool Central was replaced by a new underground station. The large CLC terminus which bears the name is no more. The Mersey Railway had a station called Liverpool Central Low Level which I think has now been replaced. I shall remove this edit if no-one objects. Best Witchwooder (talk) 07:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

The CLC route between Hunt's Cross and the former St. James station (south of Liverpool Central) is the southern part of the present Northern Line, which originally ran no further south than Liverpool Exchange. When the Northern Line was diverted from Exchange, a tunnel (Central Tunnel) was built between Leeds Street portal and St. James station (CLC), which incorporated a short stretch of the former Mersey Railway east of Paradise Street Junc, including that railway's Liverpool Central (Low Level) station. Most of the Mersey Railway's route is now part of the Wirral Line except for the portion east of James Street (Derby Square Junc). The present Wirral Line platforms at Liverpool Central (deep level) were built at the same time as the Wirral Line platforms at Moorfields (deep level) and Lime Street (deep level). This all happened in the mid/late 1970s. Unfortunately I can't find a book to ref, but an examination of Quail/Trackmaps vol. 4 diagram 40 may help. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Not quite. The tunnel was built and intercepts the former Mersey railway line goes to Central. The Mersey railway went a little way past central to allow trains to change lines to go back. This extension was continued and intercepted the CLC St James to Central line. Exactly where I don't know but it seems that only the last few hundred yards approaching central are new.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 16:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, but the point is that Witchwooder is correct in stating "I don't think it is accurate to state that Liverpool Central" (by which I assume he means the CLC terminus) "was replaced by a new underground station". My memory of events is that the Liverpool loop was built for the Wirral Line, which included a new deep-level platform at Central, on completion of which the W. line services were diverted around the loop leaving the original Mersey Railway terminus at Central vacant. This was then incorporated into the Northern Line by constructing a tunnel to the north to connect into the former L&YR route to Southport and Ormskirk, and to the south to connect into the CLC route just north of the former St. James station. So, whilst Northern Line services do use the old CLC route, and don't use the fomer CLC terminus, they also don't use a "new underground station".

What we need is for somebody to locate a book or magazine article (good places to look would be Modern Railways or The Railway Magazine) which describes the engineering works required to produce today's Liverpool Underground. Then we can amend/add suitable text, with references/citations which are then open to verification. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:12, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Have found this image File:MerseyrailUnderground.jpg on commons - the dotted green line labelled "Stock Interchange Line" and the parallel "Reversing Siding" are part of the original Mersey Railway route between Central and James Street. Where Kitchen Knife says "The Mersey railway went a little way past central to allow trains to change lines to go back"; this is the dotted blue "Reversing Siding" to the right of Central (L.L.) --Redrose64 (talk) 09:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It might help to also examine File:MerseyRailway.jpg and File:UndergroundInfrastructure.jpg --Redrose64 (talk) 10:09, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Let's see what I can get from Christiansen, Rex (April 1977). "Network of Change". Railway Magazine. Vol. 123, no. 912. London: IPC Transport Press Ltd. pp. 164–168. ISSN 0033-8923. and subsequent issues. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Most of those appear to be deleted. From memory, they were something like these: File:Liverpool James Street Layout.jpg; File:Liverpool rail lines in 1977.svg. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:59, 24 July 2021 (UTC)