Talk:Chiang Kai-shek rifle

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Most of the info I wrote here is sort of copied from the Chinese Article in Wiki, my chinese reading arent really that good, so I just read it briefly and tried to translate the text as good as I can. Sadly there is no picture of the CKS rifle around in the net.... User talk: hanchi 20 March 2007

I'll try finding an old photo of one (so less trouble with copyright nazis) -- 我♥中國 18:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Which rifle was better?

Which rifle was better? The Hanyang 88 or was it Type 24? Also which rifle was used mostly amongs the NRA troops? I think I should change some info from Hanyang 88 to this Type 24 instead, as this article somehow is a bit too "short". User talk: hanchi 21 March 2007

Definitely this. I think the 88 was more widely used, since so many copies were made before the war, but during the war most of the production was CKS. -- 我♥中國 18:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Mauser Standard Model?

What the heck is Mauser Standard Model? I tried to check it out in various websearch but didnt come up much info... Is CKS rifle really based on Mauser Standard Model and not directly copied from Kar98k? Because in the Chinese site, they claim that the rifle is a direct copy of Kar98k. Any expert who knows better than me? Hanchi 5 April 2007

Based on Mauser Standard Modell

It is based on the Mauser Standard Modell, which is the forerunner of the Kar 98k. If you have seen the photo of the CKS rifle and the Standard Modell, you will notice the bolt handle is straight, different from the Kar 98k which is bent down. Also, the Standard Modell and the CKS rifle has a handguard on the stock, while the Kar 98k doesn't. Go to www.chinesefirearms.com [1](traditional or simplified chinese), where they have information about the CKS rifle, the Mauser Standard Modell and the Kar 98k. This web even has a special passage about the CKS rifle.

By the way, because there are not a lot of Mauser Standard Modells in this world, it is normal to get less info. about this Standard Modell. One thing I am quite sure about this Standard Modell is that the quality of it is the best of all Mauser rifles, and a lot of collectors want that gun.

No wonder why there arent much surviving examples of CKS rifles or similar to that rifle around this world anymore. I am kind of surprised that the American gun collectors didnt managed to get these rifles. Anyways thanks for clearing it up! Hanchi 6 April 2007

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Slower to reload?

Seeing as the Type 24/Zhongzheng and the Japanese Arisaka both reload in exactly the same manner (5-round stripper clips, and the clips themselves are near-identical too), I would think that there would be little if any difference in reloading time. 71.203.209.0 (talk) 05:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

But keep in mind that the enemies the Chinese faced usually tend to treat their Arisaka as a spear instead of a rifle by "banzaing" after the first few volleys (and add to that the Japanese usually have one heavy machine gunner in the rear to cover the banziers), leaving the NRA defenceless for few precious seconds while reloading their rifle or to pull out their C96 and swords. hanchi 15:34 24 November 2008

Is this rifle safe?

I know the hanyang 88 is a time bomb but can't find out if this one is to. I want to find out before I waste money having a gunsmith check it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.209.61.170 (talk) 02:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Korean War??

How did a Nationalist rifle got to the Korean war if the Nationalists didn't fight in Korea? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coffeekid (talk • contribs) 01:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• The Chinese Communists captured them from the Nationalist government's forces.--KVLG (talk) 04:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Rate of fire

According to the info box, this weapon has a rate of fire of "30 rounds a minute". I'm sure that this 'fact' is above board as regard references and so on. But having fired a lot of rifles, both bolt-action and self-loading, I have to say that this entry is, to put it mildly, nonsense. To fire a weapon once every two seconds (and that with a five round magazine), with any degree of accuracy is not possible with a modern semi-automatic weapon, never mind an eighty year-old bolt-action type, (unless Hollywood comes into it). Thats why Tinsel-town tends to shy away from bolt-action rifles - not enough bangs in the short term.
The Mauser action was noted for being markedly slower than that of the Enfield.

I would say that 10 rpm is nearer the mark.

PS Having just looked in a rather old copy of Janes Infantry Weapons, I can find no 'rate of fire' or anything else for that matter on this weapon; but in the section on the Type 53 carbine, a near contemporary, it states: "Rate of fire: 10-15 rounds/min"

RASAM (talk) 16:01, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Some shooters did manage to perform ultra-fast aimed fire with bolt-action rifles indeed. That has been done with Lee Enfield (38 shots per minute into a head-sized target at 300 yards) and Mosin-Nagant (30 shots per minute into a man-sized target at 100 m; 53 shots were recorded in the 1940s but apparently that result wasn't independently confirmed and looks generally doubtful), so similar results would have been formally possible with Mausers as well. Trouble is, only individual, extremely well-trained shooters were capable of doing that (at a shooting range), and that kind of training was absolutely impractical for a large army in a total war. And, of course, such peak rates of fire hardly characterize a rifle in any manner.46.242.13.225 (talk) 13:05, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

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