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"Euthanasia"

I'd like to bring up my opposition to the use of the term "euthanasia". Euthanasia would be an inconsistent way to describe the mass killings of people with disabilities. Euthanasia is defined on wiki as "the practice of intentionally ending life to relieve pain and suffering". I'm bringing this up due to its wider implications. Intellectual disabilities does not necessitate suffering from the disability itself, if their environment is accepting and can accommodate to their needs. As a point of reference - the Final Solution is phrased with words such as "systematic genocide", "murder", and "being put in death camps". Using the same language being used to describe other pogroms for consistency seems like a given for me. that is, if we are to not discriminate against a group of people that face massive discrimination in our societies, historical or present. Kameloso (talk) 12:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

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In the article’s first paragraph, I think it might be more accurate to state that Aktion T4 and related murders of disabled children was the precursor to the NAZI mass extermination of Jewish individuals that took place in the Operation Reinholt camps of Belzac, Sobibor and Treblinka. Many of the individuals who organized and directly perpetrated Aktion T4 murders of disabled children were assigned by the NAZI regime to implement Operation Reinholt, which was responsible for the murders of Glwaltz (talk) 01:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

…responsible for the murders of approximately 1.47 million Jewish adults and children during the Holocaust or Shoah. Glwaltz (talk) 01:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for the multiple comments—

I’m feeling very timid about offering an edit to an article touching on this topic. I’ll check back on this page to see if anyone responds before submitting citations for this edit.

hope I’m being a good Wikipedia citizen here! Sorry if this isn’t what the talk page is for. Glwaltz (talk) 01:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

You are right to bring it up here. The Banner talk 08:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I have been looking t it, but I am wary of connecting this as a precursor to the Nazi mass murder campaign/Holocaust. Operation Reinhard is more or less limited to Poland, while Aktion T4 was limited to Germany. I do not dare to do your request. The Banner talk 09:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I completely understand. The historical connection from T4 to operation Reinhold is clear in terms of the leadership involved—Christian Worth (sp??” played a major role in T4 and went on to direct killing operations at Belzac and Trablinka. Many others were likewise brought from T4. Timothy Snyder documents this in Black Earth and several other English-language published histories address it. Much more primary souce material documents the connection, but I don’t know how much has been translated from Polish, Russian or German.

I’ll post citations here in a couple of days for folks to ponder. Glwaltz (talk) 19:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)