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Chinese influences on Islamic pottery

Please introduce a link to Chinese influences on Islamic pottery. Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 08:33, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Yue ware

Please introduce a link to Yue ware. Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 13:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Cizhou ware

Cizhou ware, Northern Song, 11-12th century, China.

Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 08:21, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Stunning. Beautiful. A masterpiece! Thanks for sharing.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 01:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Article doesn't address Chinese ceremics

Classification of ceramics: While name of article is Chinese ceramics, it deals mainly with porcelain (chinaware) icetea8 (talk) 12:44, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I (partly) agree, and looking above people have said this before. What I disagree with what you say is "it deals mainly with porcelain" because it deals mainly with ANTIQUE porcelain. For a title of "Chinese ceramics" nothing is said about ceramics that are not porcelain and nothing is said about current Chinese ceramics (China makes more ceramics, and including porcelain, than the rest of the world together)!!! And I do not agree with "Chinaware", I have never seen this word before.GeoffreySuchart (talk) 04:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

short bit on modern stuff added. "Chinaware" is a fairly common older term. Johnbod (talk) 13:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

'the dynastic periods'

The first sentence is pretty bizarre. "Chinese ceramic ware is an artform that has been developing since the dynastic periods". This is extremely vague; dynastic Chinese history runs from 222 BCE to 1911 CE, so 'since the dynastic periods' places it anywhere in more than 2000 years of history. --EastAsiaStudent (talk) 09:37, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

add a "pre-" and it all makes sense. Johnbod (talk) 13:03, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Delft/faience picture

I was merely browsing through the article and found the section on famille rose but wondered why the illustrative example was not of a Chinese plate but a Delft or faience article, if indeed it is not Chinese porcelain. Skimming through the text I didn't spot a reference to the image or to Delftware. Is this a mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tumblingsky (talk • contribs) 14:27, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Now removed - I think Famille rose was merged here, perhaps mistakenly. Johnbod (talk) 18:12, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

... found the painted aesthetic 'vulgar.'

"This esteem for relatively recent ceramics excited much scorn on the part of literati scholars (such as Wen Zhenheng, Tu Long, and Gao Lian, who is cited below); these men fancied themselves arbiters of taste and found the painted aesthetic 'vulgar.'[21][22]"

This makes artistic sense. The highly decorated translucent white ware is ostentatious, in that it can be recognized as technically advanced and labor intensive, without a deep understanding of ceramics or of three dimensional art. The elaborate decoration is obviously very time consuming. Like the painted classical Greek pottery, it can be appreciated by those more familiar with two dimensional art. Song pottery is more like 20th century art. It is skill intensive rather than labor intensive. See Bernard Leach, for instance. The fact that the decorated porcelain was most popular for export and most imitated in Europe is consistent with this view. David R. Ingham (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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Articles needed for famille rose, famille verte, famille jaune and famille noire

These are important groups of Chinese ceramics, and should be given individual articles, this is especially true for famille rose, which is always mentioned in books on Chinese porcelain published in the West, also in books in Chinese variously as fencai, yangcai, ruancai or falangcai. Hzh (talk) 10:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I should think that a separate article for Chinese porcelain is also warranted. Hzh (talk) 10:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree about the first. Chinese porcelain is covered by articles on the different types - mostly Jingdezhen porcelain, then Ding ware etc. Maybe a dab page? I've been reluctant to suggest that Chinese porcelain redirect to Jingdezhen porcelain, but perhaps it should - that will be what most readers want. Johnbod (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

We can possibly start by resurrecting the article Famille jaune, noire, rose, verte that got merged here we create any individual articles, there are more material on famille rose and famille verte than famille jaune and famille noire. What's written here is too little and possibly wrong, for example it says that yangcai is the later name for famille rose, but in a number of sources I read that it is fencai that is the later name (here in page 71 it says that only the term yangcai appear in the Qing dynasty Archives and Tang Ying's Taocheng jishi 唐英《陶成纪事》 [1], fencai may be a more modern term). As for Chinese porcelain, I don't know if it should be redirected to Jingdezhen porcelain, and it will be a lot of work to create its own article. Perhaps it can be left to someone who feels up to doing it. Hzh (talk) 11:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

It was a mistake to merge & I'm not against resurrecting - I can expand at some point. I don't really think we need a big new article on Chinese porcelain - possibly a shorter one linking to the by-type articles. Johnbod (talk) 13:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I have restarted the article Famille jaune, noire, rose, verte. It still needs to be expanded, but a famille rose article can probably be created once there are enough content there. Hzh (talk) 12:29, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I have started on Famille rose, which can be expanded later. If anyone want to start on famille verte, you are welcome to do so - famille jaune and noire are both sub-categories of famille verte, so they can be kept in any famille verte article. Although there are yellow and black-ground famille rose, people don't seem to use jaune and noir to refer to these porcelain. Hzh (talk) 12:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Odd edit

Here. Firstly the page #s are out by 100. Secondly "particulary associated with" is vague and weaselly - what does this mean? 3rdly, both are wares from North China, in modern uses of the terms (Yue ware used to have a wider definition). I've seen the passage on p. 202 - does she mean "north and south" of north China perhaps? Altogether odd. Johnbod (talk) 15:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

It just means that even though both white and green wares were produced in both North and South China, people at that time have tended to associate white ware with Northern China, and green with the South. I'll see if I can find a better source, and adjust later, or may be phrased it better. Hzh (talk) 12:36, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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