Talk:Chios Mastiha

I think this page should be renamed "Chios Mastiha" to make a clearer distinction between liqueurs that contain some mastic resin and certified mastiha produced on Chios.

Merge Proposal

I think this should be merged with Mastika. Chios Mastiha is a variety and PDO designation of Mastika, but there's no more information here about the drink than in the Mastika article, and most of the article is rehash of information from Mastic (plant resin) Mastichochoria Pistacia lentiscus, etc., some of it very tangential to the actual drink. PepperBeast (talk) 05:20, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 22 August 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 02:15, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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Chios Mastiha → Chios Mastiha Liqueur – Regulation (EC) No 110/2008 of the European Parliament explicitly states the naming etc, if NewYorkActuary could read would understand the move of unrelated elements from this page to mastic resin page Chem-is-try7 (talk) 09:48, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

@Pepperbeast and Avarosalia: Pinging substantive contributors for their opinions on this, as well as on the substantial changes in content that the proposer intends to make (see the article's page history for detail). NewYorkActuary (talk) 13:08, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Disagree It's an unnecessary move. EC regulations only designate what geographical terms are protected for trade in different types of products, not what everyone has to call the products, and Wikipedia isn't subject to EC regulations. We use common, understandable names, not EU descriptive designations-- so we have Cognac, Poire Williams, and Żubrówka and not the EC's Eau-de-Vie de Cognac, Williams d'Orleans, and 'Herbal vodka from the North Podlasie Lowland aromatised with an extract of bison grass'

As far as the content changes go, I'm not actually all that exercised. There's quite a bit of mess and duplication between Pistacia lentiscus, Mastic (plant resin), Mastichochoria, Mastika, and the whole thing would really benefit from some editorial attention. PepperBeast (talk) 21:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

@Pepperbeast, Avarosalia, and NewYorkActuary: Pinging substantive contributors for their opinions on this, as well as on the substantial changes in content that the proposer intends to make (see the article's page history for detail)

If this gonna be just challenge of opinions with people irrelalavant to the subject (see NewYorkActuary and the Pepper Beast) or have any scientific background to the subject. with the subject then I will turn back to the my edited correct version.

But lets debunk the inaccurates here:

a) EU designation is a wordwide PDO binding agreement. That means PepperBeast don't regulates something with EU borders. It's a law that summarizes what everyone would called their EU products according to their wishes. If a third country challenge then a world court will held etc.

b) 99% of the original article unrelated information? Wtf has anything to do with an alcoholic beverage the harvesting of mastic or how many mastic growers does they exist or the fucking tree per se?It's a drink!! The first paragraph states it and then is an roller coaster of bullshit that better suites the mastic resin

c) to the irrelevant (just for the record). Many Greeks uses the term Mastiha (as the drink, the resin and the tree).

The correct distinction IS: i) Chios Mastiha liqueur for the alcoholic beverage (that is this article about)

ii) Chios mastic resin which is the gum that has been harden under or over the tree and is collected and ii) the chios mastic tree or Pistacia lentisus var. Chia with is the tree itself.

d) the correct version is as I leave it With addition of the process as I handle it from my working and academic experience. Now and I'm working work on Mastic resin article which also need to be divided to resin stuff and in another article about the tree.

e) All the info i've removed from this page THERE ARE in mastic resin page!!

Therefore this article must be named "Chios Mastiha liqueur" and NOT the general term "Chios Mastiha" which in common language mean tree things and that's that the end of it.}}

Unsigned comments above by Chem-is-try7 (talk)

a) Actually, it's a set of regulations that apply to those trading with EU members. Trade. It doesn't mean that (say) a wiki has to use the exact terminology of the EU regulations-- and the change you're suggesting isn't the term used in the EU regs anyway (see reference and my comments about Wikipedia use of common names above).

b) I have no idea why you're going off about this. I basically said I agree with you. Take yes for an answer.

c) Actually, that's irrelevant. This is English Wikipedia. What Greeks say or do (in Greek) is neither here nor there.

d), e) Keep calm, and read b). PepperBeast (talk) 22:52, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

@PepperBeast I'm using the law to make my argument. but I'm guessing tomorrow you are branding tomorrow products like "sake", "vodka", "gin" to cheeburgers and don't give a fuck...I can assure you that would have concourse. And I can assure you that if someone for Canada would make Mastiha liqueur not one Canadian authority would give permission...

And lets put aside the law here... My version did all that you suggested? what's your problem with my version?

Kindly keep it WP:CIVIL and on-topic. We're not talking about Gin, Vodka, cheeseburgers, making mastika in Canada, or anything else. We are talking about this article. You are pushing for a change to a name that is not likely to be clearer or more recognisable to the audience and doesn't actually reflect the designation in EU law (which doesn't apply here anyway). You're also being really rude. Stop it. PepperBeast (talk) 00:47, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

@Ryan Postlethwaite: Ryan can you give your opinion on the relevancy of the current status of the page versus my edit due to you science background?? Chem-is-try7 (talk) 08:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, I think this article nees some serious editing to make it only about Chios Mastiha liqueur, and possibly that it should be merged into Mastika, the article about Mastika liqueur in general. The information about mastic in general and the Mastichochoria in general should be greatly reduced, as the information is already available in the relevant pages. PepperBeast (talk) 03:16, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

@Chem-is-try7: Please stop reverting. You are undoing all the reference fixes I made. I don't mind adding your material, but your English is slightly garbled and you haven't provided references, so I'm having trouble. PepperBeast (talk) 19:53, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Pepperbeast: Please stop reverting. If you are willing to improve the grammar, you are more than welcome, but please consider editing only this version in order to stop propagate the confusion that "Mastiha" is a brandy. Please expand your Mastika to its page and also remove Greece section since is a term for Northern Balkanians. Chem-is-try7 (talk) 02:08, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

What I reverted was both confusing and unreferenced, so I'm not sure how to accurately re-word. Perhaps you could provide your sources. Also, I already removed the word brandy (although I believe it is correct, brandy being spirit distilled from grapes or grape skins). PepperBeast (talk) 02:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

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