Talk:N. Ravikiran

Unsubstantiated unresolved news

Pending legal processes, unsubstantiated defamatory items should not be posted with a view to disparage a person who has contributed substantially for decades. The section on allegations of Sexual harassment is being constantly added by miscreants right at the top, with intent to obscure everything else. Such online vandalism must be prevented.Nayaki75 (talk) 03:18, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Mistitled

I am almost certain that this is mistitled. Chitravina is one of the several spellings of the instrument he plays, but its not part of his name. I believe someone was confused by a wording somewhere that they did not quite follow, and it is as if we put Jascha Heifetz at "Violin Jascha Heifetz". But I'm not expert on Indian naming customs, and perhaps there is some justification for this. - Jmabel | Talk 07:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

My knowledge of Carnatic music is quote limited but it may be difficult to have a universal standard for these things. Two other examples where this is done are Mandolin Srinivas and Veena Dhanammal both of which, IMO, are handled correctly. "Veena" Dhanammal was usually referred with the name the instrument as part of her name while "Mandolin" Srinivas, though he is pretty well-known by that name, redirects to U. Srinivas. I think this article should go the way of Mandolin Srinivas. Tintin 08:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Ravikiran is popularly known as Chitravina Ravikiran. But then, he is also known as Vichitravina Ravikiran or Gottuvadyam Ravikiran etc., Vichitravina and Gottuvadya being the alternate names of the instrument. And like Tintin points out, this is only similar to Mandolin Srinivas or Veene Dhannammal or Piteel Chowdiah or Veene Sheshanna etc.,. So Chitravina Ravikiran and all similar articles should follow the Mandolin/U Srinivas example. Sarvagnya 17:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree, if someone wants to move the article, go ahead Maxxo 01:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 18:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC) References have been provided in the main section — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.117.61.226 (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Large section needing sources moved here

Ravikiran has also played the slide Hawaiian guitar, and is an accomplished vocalist. He invented a variant of the chitravina called the navachitravina, which is smaller and has a clearer tone in the higher frequencies. He currently resides in Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India. He has introduced a number of ragas also. He discovered a raga at the age of two and named it Choodamani after his mother. He has also introduced ragams such as keshavapriya, Mohini, Snehapriya, Shivamanohari and Andhakarini. He has to his credit in excess of 500 compositions. These include, apart from over 300 conventional musical forms, several short numbers that form a part of his music-dance productions as also those created for instrumental ensembles and orchestras. His Carnatic compositions cover a range of themes in various musical forms such as varnam, krti, padam, javali and tillana.

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Vandalism

This page requires page protection.Admin intervention is required urgently — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.72.207.213 (talk) 15:41, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protection: High level of IP vandalism. 103.72.207.213 (talk) 15:46, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2018

In this Indian name, the name Narasimhan is a patronymic, not a family name, and the person should be referred to by the given name, Ravikiran.

This line needs to be removed as it is vandalism and has no connection to the article. 103.72.207.213 (talk) 15:53, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

How is it vandalism? Is "Narasimhan" derived from a male ancestor's name, or not? Waggie (talk) 16:15, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

"Chitravina" is a title conferred upon the artist and the name should stand at Chitravina N.Ravikiran — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.72.207.213 (talk) 03:03, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)  Not done This is a standard template about Indian names (see Template:Indian name and its documentation). The connection to the article is clear, whether or not it's appropriate, and it's definitely not vandalism. If you think it's inappropriate, then feel free to reopen this request, but please explain your reasoning in detail. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:17, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that we do not preface the article with titles, generally. See Barack Obama, Theresa May, and Donald Trump for examples. Just saying. Waggie (talk) 04:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2018

The entire section which states sexual alllegations are simply allegations and not proven in a court of law-It might be substantiated with media reportage but the content in itself holds no merit as allegations that are crimininal in nature need to be proven in a court of law and all media references provide little or no evidence from unknown and anonymous sources which cannot be accepted as it is. 103.72.207.213 (talk) 03:00, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done The section is sourced to multiple reliable media sources. Anonymous or not, they are allegations and are presented as allegations only. The section does not claim they are true, and the denials by Ravikiran are included, as well. Waggie (talk) 15:38, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2018

Newsdeskasia (talk) 01:44, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

The enitre section below needs to be removed as it is a campaign of sorts which is pointing to personal venetetta and vandalism.Allegations do not hold good in a court of law esoecially when they are criminal in nature.It is defamatory content that has been published in the media without any allegations.There is an impending lawsuit against those media publications that came up with a story with no evidence.The media is not a law enforcement body or authority.Kindly request the admin the remove it completely.Newsdeskasia (talk) 01:44, 28 December 2018 (UTC)Newsdeskasia (talk) 01:47, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Duplicate of the above,  Not done. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 04:15, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2019

Please change the last line in the first paragraph i.e. ""who has taken the chitravina (earlier called the gottuvadyam) to great heights" to "who has taken the chitravina (earlier called the Gottuvadyam, Hanumad-vina or Mahanataka-vina) to great heights" Vansur (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2019 (UTC) Vansur (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@Vansur: You can edit yourself the edit will just be put in a queue for review before it is posted to the main article. Whispering^(t) 17:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

​ Already done — Newslinger talk 11:01, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Serious concerns over comments of defamatory nature in this article.

The last section on this page mentions comments which are offensive in nature and allude to mere allegations. When I tried to remove the offensive material, I was blocked from further edits on the page without being given any valid reason. I believe this is a serious case of vandalism and the page needs to be placed under special protection to prevent abuse and false propaganda. Here are the reasons why the offensive material needs to be removed.

1) The ICC (Internal Complaints Committee) formed to handle cases related to sexual allegations has certified that no complaints have been received against Mr Ravikiran 6 months since the accusations surfaced on social media. It was clear that a deliberate and vindictive attempt was made to tarnish the image of a senior musician due to political or personal vendettas.

2) Acharyanet.com, the leading online education portal for South Indian Classical Music, established in 2010 has been working with many top artists to bring classical music learning to a global audience. Mr Ravikiran is a well-known instructor for Acharyanet and has worked with numerous students worldwide. There has never been a single cause for concern or complaint against any of the artists connected with Acharyanet.com including Mr Ravikiran.

3) The entire music community is aware of the fact that the accusations against senior artistes were targetted at specific individuals to further a political agenda.

4) Certain individuals have been deliberately inserting misinformation in the form of comments on this Wiki page, carrying out destructive campaigns against artistes.

5) When very young children use Wiki, far more care has to be taken to delete yellow journalism “reports” not relevant to the subject matter even if they have citations.

6) As a parent of children who use Wiki often, I would be concerned about children having access to misinformation and adult topics on Wiki pages, especially about artistes.

Mere baseless allegations and accusations should not be included on a Wiki page. This has been happening for many months on this page now. Hope this is addressed here on this forum.

Revathijana (talk) 17:07, 15 May 2019 (UTC)revathijana

Thank you for starting a discussion here rather than simply removing the text from the article again.

1) I'm not sure I understand; there are several independent reliable sources reporting the allgations in question. How does that tally with your claim that there have been no allegations, and what does "6 months since" mean? And what is the source for your information?

2) Irrelevant here.

3) What are the sources?

4) Diffs? Sources?

5) But this is relevant, and Wikipedia is not censored. Different countries and cultures have different perceptions of what is appropriate for children, and it's not up to Wikipedia to act on that.

6) You have not provided any sources to support your claim that it is "misinformation". Artists and entertainers should be held to the same standards as everybody else, so again it is difficult to understand what your point is.

The information in the article is very well-sourced indeed, and neutrally phrased, including the counter-claims from the individual himself. --bonadea contributions talk 17:21, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

I concur with Bonadea here, the content is neutrally worded, reliably sourced, and offers a fairly balanced perspective. There is no content here that appears to be inappropriate for a Wikipedia article. I must ask, Revathijana, are you affiliated with Ravikiran in any way? If you are, you must declare this per the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, if you intend to edit pages related to a subject you have a close connection to. Waggie (talk) 17:49, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Having slept on it I think I understand what you meant in point 1, Revathijana - the committee that was set up (when? Where? At what level - state wide or pertaining to one organisation?) had not received any specific complaints against the individual six months after the allegations were first made. That is irrelevant, since we do have reliable independent sources that the allegations were made in the first place. --bonadea contributions talk 06:06, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Template

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N._Ravikiran the page has a "written like an advertisement templete" on top- Ghe Artist has won numerous awards and is world reknowned musician-All sources are authentic publications.Kindly help remove the banner on the top as it appears to be a deliberate attempt at a criss-cross over professional rivalry which should not have space the core matter of the article which is Music and Art.Rajeshbm (talk) 11:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

The template refers to the writing style more than the content. The writing is promotional in tone in several places. --bonadea contributions talk 12:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Template

Greetings, I wish to remove the template {{advert|date=January 2019}}on the basis of the fact that all citations are verifiable and have been published through highly credible srources- Please helpRajeshbm (talk) 12:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

The article would need to be substantially rewritten to remove a lot of promotional wording. The template flags inappropriate style, not unsourced content. --bonadea contributions talk 12:57, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Please help improve the article

Requesting an admin to please help imporove this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.228.27.123 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

That does not require an administrator. If you have specific suggestions for changes, please put the template {{edit semi-protected}} below, and add your suggestions. Before you do that, read this information about how to write an edit request. --bonadea contributions talk 08:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)