Talk:Choke (horse)

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Merger proposal

Latest comment: 12 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion

I propose that this article be merged into Choking. There are certainly veterinary specifics to the treatment of choking horses that are discussed in the this article, but the act or condition of choking is no more specific to horses than to people or any other animal. 153.31.113.26 (talk) 15:10, 4 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

Why does this have a special article for choking in horses? There seems to be nothing unique to horses in this article, as opposed to choking in any other animal. Although the article begins "Choke is a condition in horses...", the description is simply about choking in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.31.113.26 (talk) 14:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

Anyway, it should include mules and donkeys, where the condition is strictly similar => Choke (Equidae). I created a special category in Commons (Choke_in_Equidae), where it seems me to be usefull to differentiate human and veterinary pathological conditions. The question of specific veterinary articles is recurrent. For "castration", i.e., it is biologically the same subject but in fact, very different speech !!!

--Lucyin (talk) 16:47, 4 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

My final proposal would be to create an article choke (animals); see : the Merck Veterinary Manual approach. Indeed, the treatment in cattle, for example, is also quite different of the one in humans (or in dog).

--Lucyin (talk) 16:59, 4 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

I had an eye on article "Choking" and its Interwiki's. It is really not a good idea to merge what should be referred to as "oesophageal obstruction" ^[1] with what is described as a respiratory emergency. "Tchoke", as I have cinical experience in horses, mules, donkeys, cattle and sheep is not always a respiratory emergency by compression of trachea. In Equidae, it can dure more than 4 days (obstruction by dry sugar beet pulps), and provokes death by dehydration. In ruminants, it is an emergency, but due to absence of eructation, than compression of diaphragm. The first thing to do is trocardization of rumen. So:

or leave the present article, widening its field to other Equidae => choke (Equidae) (=Esophageal obstruction (Equidae), leaving the way to an other possible article choke (ruminants) = Esophageal obstruction (ruminants)
or create an article choke (animals) or choke (veterinary medicine) = Esophageal obstruction (animals), Esophageal obstruction (veterinary medicine) with two sections (Equidae & Ruminants). I did so in Walloon Wiki.

--Lucyin (talk) 20:52, 4 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

I oppose the move, though it could be renamed (equine) if that's needed. The digestive system of equidae has unique features that would be lost in a larger, general article. Many conditions have separate articles on the version found in humans and in non-human animals. Montanabw^(talk) 01:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

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^ Veterinary Medicine (5th ed.). London: Baillière Tindall. 1979. pp. 112–114. ISBN 0-7020-07-18-8. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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[1] Veterinary Medicine (5th ed.). London: Baillière Tindall. 1979. pp. 112–114. ISBN 0-7020-07-18-8. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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