Talk:Chumbe Island

Plants and animals

I think there should be a small list of the plants and animals inhabiting the island. I would also think readers would like a map to see where exactly this island is. Great article by the way. HaLoGuY007 11:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I just deleted most of it. It read like a tourist brochure, not something we want in an encyclopedia. kwami (talk) 07:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the previous version of the page read like a tourist brochure. However, some of that information is valid and factual, such as:

• the fact that the island is known for its coral reefs
• the ecological activities and especially awards of the organization which oversees it
• the history of the marine reserve and the impact on the reefs.

I reinstated most of the article but removed some of the language which might excessively praise the island. SkepticVK (talk) 06:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Are its reefs really all that "exceptional", or only in the context of East Africa?

What in the world does "gazetted as a protected marine reserve" mean? That it isn't really a marine reserve, but is written up that way in tourist brochures? And "(since 1994)" would mean not that it's been a reserve since 1994, but that it was first written up that way in 1994?

And what is this organization? What else do they do? Or is it merely someone who bought the island, claims to do research, and advertizes for tourists?

When was it no longer within the military zone?

How is the material used to construct bungalows relevant to an article on an island, except as self-promotion? We're missing the size of the island, its location, its history, whether it was ever even inhabited, but you feel its important to tell people how responsible the construction of seven tourist bungalows is?

"Environmental awards"? From British Airways 'Tourism for Tomorrow'? And you claim this isn't just a free advertisement? (The UN one I can see. I'll keep that one.)

Sorry, but this is still a tourist brochure, not an article. kwami (talk) 07:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and the GPS coordinates place it in the middle of the water. kwami (talk) 07:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, with the WWT link we have some independent confirmation. kwami (talk) 22:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi kwami. I understand your reticence in adding information which may be too promotional for the island.

Here are the main facts:

• The island IS a protected marine reserve called the "Chumbe Island Coral Park", which is split into the reef sanctuary and the forest sanctuary.
• The island has won non-trivial awards related to sustainable development and ecotourism
• The island is managed by the non-profit entity Chumbe Island Coral Park Ltd. (CHICOP)
• Marine research and sustainable development are a significant part of the non-profit's activities.

Although Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a tourist brochure as you point out, a good article should still cover the salient points of the subject, even if the points are favourable to the article subject. NPOV does not mean that positive traits are not described, it means that a neutral description contains all relevant traits.

Also, I think we can come to a reasonable consensus on the strength of the adjectives we use to describe the reef quality. Clearly the island is not an everyday reef, or it wouldn't have been made into a marine park.

To answer your other questions, all wikipedia articles have room for improvement. I add the facts that I've researched with reasonable descriptions. If you rightly feel that the article needs the island's history or geography, I would appreciate you adding it. But please don't delete material without doing a quick search to validate it.

For example, your question "what is this organization? What else do they do?" is easily answered at:

http://www.wwt.org.uk/text/436/chumbe_island_coral_park_.html

I've linked this source in the article.

Some other stuff:

'Gazetted' means it was announced officially, but we can change that to 'declared' since the word is mostly British.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gazetted —Preceding unsigned comment added by SkepticVK (talk • contribs) 22:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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