Talk:Church Street Station

Coordinate error

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The coordinates need the following fixes:

• [28.54062, -81.38150]

The current coordinates point to a lake a couple hours to the south.

--75.102.128.9 (talk) 04:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 18:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merge

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Merging works for me. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:56, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion, two articles on the same building should be merged under whatever the current, or most common, name is (which I asume in this case is the Church Street Station). I would mention the second name in the lede to clarify. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I just made the combined infobox and added it to the article. You can merge this away. ----DanTD (talk) 13:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE - Since the two articles have been merged for the past two weeks or so, I'm going to close the discussion tonight. I'm surprised the creator of this article hasn't participated in this debate. ----DanTD (talk) 04:05, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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Primary topic

This article appears to be the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the name in terms of page views, use in sources, etc. As such it should occupy the base name.--Cúchullain ^t/c 02:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

The undiscussed reverting back to Church Street Station (Orlando) has left behind a mess. It leaves the base name Church Street Station as a redirect to the Orlando development, which defeats the purpose of the parenthetical disambiguation. Additionally, Church Street Station (disambiguation) has been left unchanged, with the Orlando development as primary topic.

The Orlando development is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. "Church Street Station" Orlando gets 20,800 Google Books hits, compared to 2,840 for "Church Street Station" "San Francisco", 4 for the differently-named "Church Street tram shop" and 16,100 for "Church Street Station" "New York", the vast majority of which are just addresses of PO boxes operated in the 90 Church Street building.

Page views are similar: in the last 90 days, this article got 3238 views, despite the moves, plus 405 in the last month since it was at "Church Street Station". That's more than all other potentially ambiguous articles combined: Church Street Station (San Francisco) has only 765 views in 90 days, while Church Street tram stop got 574 views and 90 Church Street got 1098. And that's without accounting for the fact that fewer readers would have found the latter two articles by searching for "Church Street Station".--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:48, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Since it looks like there'll be no response, I guess we'd better start a move request.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:11, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 14 May 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Calidum T|C 05:55, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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Church Street Station (Orlando) → Church Street Station – Recent undiscussed moves have left the articles in a bit of a mess. Church Street Station already redirects to this article, and Church Street Station (disambiguation) still lists it as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.
The Orlando development is the primary topic by all measures. It has more page views than all other (potentially) ambiguous articles combined: in the last 90 days, this article got 3264 views, despite the moves, plus 463 during the time it was at "Church Street Station". Meanwhile, Church Street Station (San Francisco) had 769 views in 90 days, while the differently-titled Church Street tram stop got 576 views and 90 Church Street got 1102. It also dominates on Google Books; "Church Street Station" Orlando gets 20,800 Google Books hits, compared to 2,840 for "Church Street Station" "San Francisco" and 4 for the differently-named "Church Street tram stop". "Church Street Station" "New York" returns 16,100 hits, which initially seems like a lot, the bulk of them are just addresses of PO boxes operated in the 90 Church Street building. This, combined with the fact that fewer people are looking for the London tram stop or 90 Church Street by searching for "Church Street Station", makes the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC picture clear. Cúchullain ^t/c 13:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose Church Street Station (San Francisco) comes immediately to mind to anyone in San Francisco. An area like travel the last thing we want to be doing is hiding the name of the city when people are trying to work out their travel arrangements.
• Oppose, per User:In ictu oculi, as well as the general disambiguation. If WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is an issue with you, then using Church Street Station as the redirect to this article just as Grand Central Station is the redirect to Grand Central Terminal is the solution. Furthermore all your renames should be reverted. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 02:02, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Let me make a Correction here; All of your previous renames should be reverted, but I can live with Tampa Union Station. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 03:17, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per the aboves. The disambiguation page should be primary; REVERT to the situation from 2007 through March 2015, where the disambiguation page was at the base name. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:30, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 27 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed per consensus. (non-admin closure) – Ammarpad (talk) 09:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

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Church Street Station (Orlando) → Church Street Station – This is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the ambiguous uses, with over 90% of the page views, even including the San Francisco station that's more commonly known as "Church station". The present situation is untenable as Church Street Station and Church Street station are redirecting to the disambiguated name. The other solution is to move the dab page to Church Street station, but again, it appears that this is far and away the primary topic. Cúchullain ^t/c 16:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. Mackensen (talk) 12:20, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support. There is no other article on WP actually titled "Church Street Station". A hatnote to a dab page is more than sufficient. Station1 (talk) 07:44, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - Station1's claim is untrue since Church station (Muni Metro) which Cúchullain mentioned, it also called Church Street Station. Furthermore, as you can see with the disambiguation page, the Post office at 90 Church Street in Lower Manhattan is also called "Church Street Station." ---------User:DanTD (talk) 22:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

  My statement is completely true: There is no other article on WP actually titled "Church Street Station". Station1 (talk) 23:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support simply based on Station1. In addition the nom is well put. Move, provide link to disambiguation page. I'd want to see if the editors active in railroading have some standard naming structure. It seems there must be multiple instances of a different stations with the same name. Basic WP policy though is expressed in the nom.MrBill3 (talk) 23:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

  MrBill3, there is WP:USSTATION, which is our guideline for US railway station titles. epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. We can create redirects, like "Church Street Station (U.S. Postal Service)", "Church Street station (Muni Metro)", etc if it's needed. epicgenius (talk) 17:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

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Stupidity has won

Stupidity on Wikipedia has won, and it's name is Wikipedia:USSTATION. This is just another Willis Avenue Station with nothing but the type of letter used to determine whether or not it applies to the former Willis Avenue (IRT elevated station). There is no distinction anymore. Worse than that, it has spread beyond Wikipedia, such as into Google Maps. I not only dread the direction of Wikipedia, but the internet at large. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 13:11, 7 March 2020 (UTC)