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Needs rewriting completely

This article is badly sourced, written and needs a complete overhaul with some lazy grammar and hardly any inline sources especially with that Gary Cooper claim...I'll propose it for full deletion later if need be DragonofBatley (talk) 08:23, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

DragonofBatley - It certainly shouldn’t be deleted. As a Grade I listed building, it is inherently notable. The Cooper claim can easily be sourced to his own article. KJP1 (talk) 13:07, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Rewritten and better sourced. The Cooper claim said baptism when it should have been confirmed.

This has all been taken care of. The effort to delete this article is ill-founded.

 Fixed 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks all, was gonna do some editing but had chance too. I wasn't against keeping it but some grade 1 listed buildings are also in articles about towns DragonofBatley (talk) 16:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

DragonofBatley - You should withdraw the Article for Deletion nomination, which I think is malformed anyway and which should not have been made in the first place. KJP1 (talk) 18:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

It was only proposed the other editor removed it earlier DragonofBatley (talk) 18:49, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

It is still at the top of this Talkpage. KJP1 (talk) 18:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that is an ongoing WP:AFD. Just part of the article's history. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Attribution

Text and references copied from Gary Cooper to Church of All Saints, Houghton Regis. See history of former article for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:15, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Text and references copied from St Mary the Virgin's Church, Aylesbury to Church of All Saints, Houghton Regis. See history of former article for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Stained glass and interior photos

It would be great to add a photo of some of the stained glass. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:12, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Stained glass got a mention in the text, but no images. However, some nice monuments. KJP1 (talk) 21:29, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

It exists and is illustrated in the church's website. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:42, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Not doubting its existence - just can’t find usable images. KJP1 (talk) 12:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Understood. We need a local Wikipedian to take and upload some photographs. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:31, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Indeed - Geograph is normally an excellent resource for this stuff, often better than Commons for UK buildings, but unfortunately not on this occasion. It might be because stained glass is actually quite difficult for amateurs to photograph well. KJP1 (talk) 16:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 21:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

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Church of All Saints, Houghton Regis

• ... that the Church of All Saints, Houghton Regis's religious use of the site is claimed to go back "1,000 years" back to Saxon times? Source: here; there
  • ALT1: ... that the Church of All Saints, Houghton Regis was is within the care of a flying bishop? Source: here "The Parish of Houghton Regis All Saints' Church" (PDF). Retrieved March 31, 2022. We have recently rescinded Resolution A and are now no longer under Alternative Episcopal Oversight. We are looking for a male priest with the ability to minister within diverse views of our congregation enabling us to move forward into the community while at the same time respecting traditions and styles of worship.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ambassis macleayi
  • Comment: 5X expansion following an attempted deletion.

5x expanded by 7&6=thirteen (talk), KJP1 (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), and Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:39, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

• :Personally, I think Gary Cooper is the most notable “hook”. KJP1 (talk) 20:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
  • .ALT 2: .. that actor Gary Cooper received confirmation at the Church of All Saints, Houghton Regis? Source: here and "Gary Cooper Visits Dunstable". Dunstable Borough Gazette. March 30, 1932. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:07, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
  • ALT 3 ... that Hollywood Star Gary Cooper was baptised at the Church of All Saints, Houghton Regis (pictured)? Source: here
• The picture is clear and free, also freedom of panorama for buildings exists in the UK. Deletion was proposed for this article March 23 ...25 days ago.. - article was nominated March 29th and 5x expanded. 1st issue: The history section reads like a bullet list or random collection of facts so it should be developed into coherent paragraphs. 2nd Issue: ALT3 is confirmed and interesting. But I would propose another ALT because it may be of interest that this is a medieval/middle ages era church and the target article is at the end of the hook.

ALT4 ... that the medieval Church of All Saints, Houghton Regis (pictured) hosted the baptism of Hollywood Star Gary Cooper in 1911?

I will leave it up to the nominators, I can except ALT3 as confirmed and interesting, I just think perhaps the target article should be early in the hook. The parish says: "Our picturesque 13th century Grade 1 listed church" so that puts the church in the medieval period. Article has, correct inline citations and notes. 3rd issue: The copyvio detector picks up [appears to be a violation] which should be addressed - a long paragraph appears to be copied. So a few issues to address: the history section, the copyright issue and the ALT4 question. Bruxton (talk) 23:29, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I disagree about the Gary Cooper hook, its fun and trivia aspect nonetheless, because it supports the view that even medieval-era buildings, like women, are interesting in its connection to famous men. For that reason, I vote for ALT1. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 00:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

User:Bruxton Copy edited out the alleged copyright problem. I don't care about the hook choice. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Have tried to make the prose a little less bullet-point. As indicated above, I do think the Cooper baptism is the most “eye-catching” and improbable element of the church’s story. KJP1 (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

The prose was improved, the cc was eliminated, and regarding the hook - it sounds like @KJP1: prefers ALT3? The nominator 7&6=thirteen, is not stuck on any hook choice. Myself, I prefer ALT4 (note I have modified it and added Gary Cooper to that hook). Both hooks are useable and verified and I will allow the promotor to choose. Bruxton (talk) 18:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

ALT3 to T:DYK/P7 without image

Baptismal font

We need a picture. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Houghton Regis - All Saints - Norman Font (geograph 4024987)

Geograph is your friend. KJP1 (talk) 16:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)