Talk:Chuu (single album)

Requested move 22 August 2019

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• Chuu (single album) → Chuu
• Chuu → Chuu (disambiguation)

– This is the only article titled "Chuu". The singer lacks sufficient independent notability for her own article but is a related topic anyway, and there really isn't much else besides. I'm not convinced that a dab page is needed and in lieu of anything else the single should be regarded as a primary topic. PC78 (talk) 03:19, 22 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisted. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 18:40, 8 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 16:41, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Relist note: notice placed on disambiguation page this date (by including it in this discussion) so this discussion should remain open for at least seven (7) more days. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 18:40, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

• Strong Support. The current disambiguation is horrible and incorrect (regional-only, not following WP:NCMUSIC), and indeed unnecessary. It is the only article and the other respective articles on the dab page can be linked in a hatnote. Lazz_R 13:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose - malformated move firstly the target is a dab page, secondly Chuu (singer) gets more media coverage than Chuu (single). This fails WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:04, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Moreover there's a whole pile of promotional singles for each one of this Korean girl band's members. If this RM was valid (it isn't), you'd need to do the whole lot. Alternatively just delete the lot and merge into discography. None of it is notable. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:19, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Not a "malformed" request at all, the proposal is to eliminate a useless and unnecessary dab page. And your latter comment is classic WP:OTHERSTUFF which has no bearing on this discussion. PC78 (talk) 23:30, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

No. If a dab has 3 or more items it cannot be just blanked. Therefore it is malformed. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:03, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Pretty sure that's a rule you've just made up. PC78 (talk) 20:10, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

A further word on the dab page... Besides the single and the singer, the only other use is a dabmention for the Ghanaian village, and even this may be a bit of a red herring as Google Maps gives the name as Choo. If you still think the dab page ought to be kept then that's certainly a valid opinion, but it doesn't make the request "malformed". PC78 (talk) 23:35, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support. The article on the singer in Korean WP is kr:츄 (가수), and it's thin to say the least. I see no prospect at present of the singer meeting WP:GNG. Chuu (singer) is a redirect to Loona (group), and likely to stay that way. The article on the single is thin too; I have some doubts as to whether it passes WP:NSONG, but that is not the issue here. It is the only article under the title Chuu we have, and that makes it WP:PTOPIC. The DAB page will not be needed (see WP:TWODABS); everything else can be dealt with in hatnotes (including {{distinguish|Chu (disambiguation){{!}}Chu}} for the possible misspelling).

Note 1. I have changed the link on the current DAB page from Loona (group) to Chuu (singer). The redirect exists; we might as well use it for as long as the DAB page is a DAB page.

Note 2. If the move is made, the redirect Chuu (disambiguation) will need to be deleted (it could be speedied under WP:G6).

Note 3. At the conclusion of this discussion, whatever the outcome, Chuu should be added to the DAB page Chu as a see-also. I have not added it for a technical reason: while Chuu remains a DAB page, per WP:INTDAB the link would have to be through Chuu (disambiguation). There seems little point in making a change now which might have to be redone in a few days time. Narky Blert (talk) 11:36, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

To editor Narky Blert: another "Chuu" has been added to the dab page, so even if editors decide that these page moves should be made and the single album becomes the ptopic, the dab page will still be a valid dab page. Also, I think it's okay according to the guideline, MOS:DAB, to use a redirect on dab pages when it targets a section in an article that describes the subject of the redirect. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 18:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: that's a horse of a different colour. AFAIAC, three possible targets always justifies a DAB page. I've amended my !vote accordingly. Narky Blert (talk) 20:08, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: I've boldly removed your entry from the dab page, the target article spells the name as "Choo" so it looks a little tenuous to me. I've added it to the Choo dab page though. PC78 (talk) 21:21, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Gray area since "Chuu" appears to be another spelling of "Choo" in this case. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 10:21, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps, and you should of course revert me if you feel it's necessary. If there is concensus to at least keep the dab page then so be it, but IMHO padding it out with supposed alt spellings of dab mentions is a pretty weak justification. PC78 (talk) 14:16, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Lol! Wouldn't dream of reverting a gray area without appropriate discussion. And I don't consider it padding if it helps readers get to where they want to go. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 14:23, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Added Bardo to the dab page based on my recent edit to that article (though even before I edited it, the body already mentioned the name Chuu -- albeit in kanji only, not in romanisation). I also think that all these single-of-the-month permastubs would best be handled by merging to Loona (group) discography#Single albums. Regards, 59.149.124.29 (talk) 13:57, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

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