Talk:Cicely Saunders

Evangelized?

I read a story in a source other than wikipedia, that stated that Dame Saunders was influenced by C.S. Lewis in England, and the story implied that that is one reason she became a Christian. Does anyone know if that is true? L. Thomas W.

It is mentioned here that her thinking was influenced by C S Lewis, Olive Wyon, Teilhard du Chardin and Viktor Frankl, and by 14th century English mystic, Julian of Norwich, but that does not confirm the story: A symposium on the life and work of Cicely Saunders. The first video, a lecture given by Martina Holder-Franz goes into the question of her growing religiosity.--Terry Patterson (talk) 15:00, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Doctor and Dame?

Dame Saunders was a doctor, shouldn't this be mentioned in her titles? Oliver Keenan 12:56, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I think that the title Doctor is superseded by Dame so you wouldn't use both --Vince 20:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

But she qualified as a doctor in 1957, so there is a period before damehood that Miss became Doctor. I have often seen Dr included in combination with other titles, I do not know the rules of how this works! --149.254.200.218 (talk) 18:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

She was also social worker after she studyed nursing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.98.136.45 (talk) 20:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

It would not be Dame Saunders. It would be Dame Cicely or Dame Cicely Saunders.--Terry Patterson (talk) 13:20, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

On mixing academic and titular ranks, you do find things like Professor Sir Martyn Poliakoff; the Academic rank comes first.--Terry Patterson (talk) 13:20, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Kaybeesquared (talk) 20:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

During her working life at the Hospice she was simply known as 'Doctor Saunders'. She was the clinical director. I was employed as clinical nurse researcher there.

Knighthood?

Is there another term when a woman is made a dame? --Daniel C. Boyer 21:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Not as far as I am aware --Vince 20:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

yes there is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.160.115.226 (talk) 15:03, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Why both "the dying" and "the terminally ill"? What's the difference?

I'll answer my own question, but if when I do it seems like needlessly mincing hair-splitting, please with that in mind review the statement in the lead in which the two terms are used and consider editing out one or the other.

The obvious answer to my own question might be that the terminally ill are a sub-set of the dying, a group which also includes the mortally wounded or some such. I mean, someone who's been hit by a bus or shot or some such aren't normally thought of as "ill," so much as "fatally wounded" or some such. So maybe I understand the point made by using both terms.

But if "the dying" encompasses the terminally ill, to say "...the dying and the terminally ill..." is a bit like saying "...geometric shapes and triangles..."; which would be a strange thing to say. Am I missing something, or shouldn't we edit out "...and the terminally ill...? Chrisrus (talk) 04:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, the referent of this article? GREATEST. HUMAN. EVER. Chrisrus (talk) 04:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I prefer 'terminally ill' to 'dying'...seems this page is making the same mistake as those responsible for the hideous Liverpool Care Pathway....how 'terminally ill ' was Rusty Lee's mother we all ask. Sincerely doubt Cicely would have approved of 'the dying'...she had a very clear idea of what she was trying to achieve with palliative care, and it certainly wasn't clearing bed blockers or expensive to care for dementia patients out of NHS beds. 79.75.208.160 (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)twl79.75.208.160 (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

One of Doctor Saunders' key views was that the medical profession, of which she was part, refused to accept people were 'dying' especially in the main medical teaching hospitals. Research explaining this innovation has been added added to the section on the hospice Kaybeesquared (talk) 21:04, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Her husband was Polish

Wasn't her husband Polish? This it not well clarified in the article. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 14:11, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Religious Views

It would seem appropriate to include something about Saunders' religious views as I understand them to be an integral part of her methodology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.233.222.253 (talk) 16:18, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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Quotation cited was biblical?

2 Corinthians 4:16 That is why we never give up. Though our bodies are dying, our inner strength in the Lord is growing every day. Copyright Biblegateway quoted TBV.

Which version of the Bible did Dr Saunders refer to or use regularly? Kaybeesquared (talk) 15:59, 26 March 2018 (UTC) Kaybeesquared (talk) 15:59, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Kaybeesquared (talk) 22:13, 9 May 2019 (UTC) Added category palliative care