Talk:Cincinnati chili

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2022

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Cincinnati Chili is <almost never> served or eaten by the bowl.

change to

Cincinnati Chili is <seldom> served or eaten by the bowl.

Grammar: “Almost never” is logically incoherent. Never is a superlative and must stand alone.

Or remove statement completely.

Factual: All the chili parlors offer bowls of Cincinnati Chili on their standard menus for people who are diabetic or gluten intolerant of spaghetti or hot dog buns. Skyline calls theirs the “Loaded Chili Bowl”. Empress calls it “Bowl of Chili” Dixie calls it “Chili Plain”. (See menu links below). I always order a bowl of chili with onions and cheese when I visit Skyline or Gold Star as an add on to my Coney order.

https://www.skylinechili.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/SkylineChiliMenu.pdf

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58fa1f1a2994cac80e43fe0f/t/5c51ce6b88251b1eedbc3ea0/1548865131711/2019+printable+menu.pdf

https://www.dixiechili.com/menu.php

The paragraph under section “Ways” that covers standalone chili is factually incorrect and it’s characterization of people who order it as “ridiculous“ is insullting to those of us who enjoy a bowl of Cincinnati Chili. This is the personal opinion of one food writer and should be deleted.

It should be explicitly pointed out in the article that Cincinnati Chili does not incorporate beans in the recipe. Beans are an add on to the finished dish like cheese and onion. The cheese should be characterized as finely shredded sharp cheddar.

Factual: Chocolate is not an ingredient in Cincinnati Chili. It has been used in some home grown recipes which had been fabricated in an attempt to imitate the dish. Source: ingredients lists on retail packages of mix and prepared product.

There are numerous claims in this article for which citations are required, like Cincinnati Chili is Cincinnati’s best known regional food. 68.49.48.206 (talk) 14:57, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

 Partly done: 1. Both "almost" and "never" aren't superlatives, they're adverbs. "Almost never" is logically and grammatically correct.

2. "All the chili parlors" is a bit too absolute. I don't think every single chili parlor serves cincinnati chili. It is also unsourced apart from the menus for three restaurants. The "I always" part is not at all what you would find in an encyclopedia.

3.  Done

4. I don't see any mention of chocolate being in the ingredients outside of home recipes.

5. Ledes conventionally (aka WP:MOS) don't include citations for things verified in the article. The claim you're talking about is verified in the Reception section. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

 Undone: This request has been undone.by User:Valereee Aaron Liu (talk) 01:01, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

removal

Hey, Aaron Liu. Let's talk. Valereee (talk) 00:05, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

That wasn't a very good conversation starter... Aaron Liu (talk) 00:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

So anyways, I did that because I agreed with IP above that the "Ridiculous" part was unnecessary and of dubious significance. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:03, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

The quote is attributed, and not just to some food writer but the food editor for the Cincinnati Enquirer who wrote about food in Cincinnati her entire career. It's an attributed expert opinion and of use to readers to know that an expert in Cincinnati cuisine considers it like ordering a bowl of spaghetti sauce. If someone finds it insulting, that doesn't make it not worth including. If we can find a way to recast it, I'd go with that, but honestly I kind of like it. I actually tried to recast it and couldn't get rid of the ridiculous easily:

Polly Campbell, former food editor of The Cincinnati Enquirer, calls ordering a bowl of Cincinnati chili "Ridiculous. Would you order a bowl of spaghetti sauce? Because that's what you're doing."

Polly Campbell, former food editor of The Cincinnati Enquirer, calls ordering a bowl of Cincinnati chili similar to ordering a bowl of spahetti sauce.

But I kind of feel like that's dumbing down the article in pursuit of what?

I'd be happy to add something about people who are gluten free eating it if we can find a source.

And I can go with almost never > seldom, that's an improvement. Valereee (talk) 14:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Fair. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

@Valereee I also don’t think that almost never should’ve been changed. It’s grammatically and logically correct and changing it to seldom increases the level of vocab needed to understand the article. Both almost and never are adverbs. None of them are superlative. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I have no strong opinion on that. I thought seldom was better, and this isn't simple English wikipedia, but I'm happy either way. Valereee (talk) 14:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2022

Remove "Ingredients include ground beef, water or stock, tomato paste, spices such as cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, clove, cumin, chili powder, bay leaf, and in some home recipes unsweetened dark chocolate in a soupy consistency." 66.117.238.194 (talk) 18:24, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Aoidh (talk) 18:28, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Not sure what you're asking for, IP. Is there something in this description you believe is incorrect? Valereee (talk) 23:09, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2023

Change Middle East to Midwestern United States in the introduction. See below:

CURRENT: While served in many local restaurants, it is most often associated with the over 250 independent and chain "chili parlors" (restaurants specializing in Cincinnati chili) found throughout greater Cincinnati with franchise locations throughout Ohio and in Kentucky, Indiana, Florida, and the Middle East. The dish is the Cincinnati area's best-known regional food.

EDIT REQUEST: While served in many local restaurants, it is most often associated with the over 250 independent and chain "chili parlors" (restaurants specializing in Cincinnati chili) found throughout greater Cincinnati with franchise locations throughout Ohio and in Kentucky, Indiana, Florida, and the Midwestern United States. The dish is the Cincinnati area's best-known regional food. Homeless engi (talk) 07:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Middle East makes sense, since further in the article there is In 1985, one of the founders of Gold Star Chili, Fahid Daoud, returned to Jordan, where he opened his own parlor, called Chili House.[16] Outside of Jordan, Chili House as of 2020 had locations in Iran, Iraq, Libya, Oman, Palestine, Turkey and Qatar.[17]. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 11:16, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

That's correct, although I can see why someone would assume there was some sort of typo or vandalism going on. :) Valereee (talk) 14:46, 28 December 2023 (UTC)