Talk:Cipher Department of the High Command of the Wehrmacht

Sections and abbreviations

This list is adapted from M-209: TICOM, with advice from Scope creep. The home page of the domain and its Cryptography section, listed as website here, are in French, but this page is in English. The author of this page is a hobbyist, so this doesn't count as a reliable source, but it can be helpful as a quick reference while working on articles.

Military

• OKW/Chi

OberKommando der Wehrmacht / Chiffrierabteilung (Armed Forces High Command / Cipher Department)

The cryptologic agency of the Wehrmacht (Army, Navy and Air Force).

(The following three abbreviations are similarly formed.)

• OKH/Chi

The cryptologic agency of the Army (Heer).

• OKL/Chi

The cryptologic agency of the Air Force (Luftwaffe).

• OKM/Chi

The cryptologic agency of the Navy (Marine).

• B-Dienst: The Navy (Marine) High Command of OKM/Chi.

• Chi Stelle

Luftwaffe Signal Intelligence.

• Abwehr: Military intelligence agency.

Civilian

• Forschungsamt (Research Office)

Part of OKL; Göring's personal cipher organization.

• Pers Z S

The Foreign Office cryptographic agency.

References

Clarifications

Hi @Maryshelagh: I see you have left a who tag and a clarify tag. Looking at the clarify tag first. What exactly is wrong with "the device costs ℛℳ57.5 Reichsmarks, equivalent to $600.00 at 1945 conversion rates"? scope_creep^Talk 09:13, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I was looking for clarification in the conversion rate, as earlier in the article there are conversions of RM to dollars and this specific one does not seem to match, as the dollar amount seems higher. Was wondering if there was a decimal out of place in either of the numbers. Maryshelagh (talk) 19:13, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Maryshelagh: I see what you mean. Its seems the mistake hasn't been spotted until now. I'll fix it. scope_creep^Talk 22:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Maryshelagh (talk) 22:19, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Maryshelagh: What about the who tag. Is that equally as bad, something that has been missed? scope_creep^Talk 22:27, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

In that note I felt the sentence needed clarification in terms of who thought that it was inconceivable that the insecurities in the systems were missed. Does this sentence mean modern historians, or members of the Army High Command at the time, or TICOM after the war? Maryshelagh (talk) 22:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I see you what mean. Bit of a proper clarification needed there. I'll need to find the document. It been donkeys since I wrote this. scope_creep^Talk 22:35, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Maryshelagh: I removed the small block at the beginning so it now says, "The OKW/Chi and the German armed forces failed to understand how insecure the system was" which reflects the first chapter of the document. scope_creep^Talk 23:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks!! Maryshelagh (talk) 03:45, 31 December 2023 (UTC)