Talk:Circle MRT line

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"Cross-platform transfer"? How is this possible with an orbital line, which by definition is perpendicular to radial lines? I have removed this bit. Jpatokal 16:14, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Underground?

This article states that the Circle Line is fully underground, but, some of the interchanges it has with other lines are above ground. How is the Circle Line fully underground then?

Hmm? The track, its trains and its platforms are fully underground, so I think it's fair to say that the line is fully underground. Jpatokal 12:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Everything is fully underground just to confirm. --Ter enc e Ong (恭喜发财) 13:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Simple. Escalaters lead passengers from the above-ground platform straight down into the underground platform without having to pass through fair gates as is the practice in all existing interchange stations. I suppose this creates a rather unusual category of train stations...above cum below ground!--Huaiwei 14:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Such above-cum-underground stations are new in Singapore but not new elsewhere. Tokyo has plenty of such stations. Just take the sprawling JR Ueno station complex as an example. If I remember correctly, the shinkansen platform is located on basement 5 while the other commuter lines are located on the 2nd or 3rd floor. Unkx80 06:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Now I understand.

Actually, above-cum-underground stations are also not new in Singapore. The Sengkang MRT Station and the Punggol MRT Station are such examples because the MRT sections are underground while the LRT components are above ground. (202.65.241.249 09:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC))

Problems

User:Ragnaroknike keeps on insisting that Marina Line is not Circle Line and has made a mess of the article. I hope to get a concensus here with discussions and suggestions here. Thanks. --Ter enc e Ong 06:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Stage 6

Is there any actual evidence for a complete-the-circle "Stage 6" being planned? (As in, something after/beyond the DTE.) Jpatokal 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is a evidence of the Stage 6 of the Circle Line. Just click this link and here is your answer: link title.There is also another evidence of the Stage 6. While I was watching News5 Tonight (a Singapore news), the news mentioned something about Stage 6 of the Circle Line but I did not hear the plane of Stage 6 carefully. Aranho 19:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Huh? The map you link to is a fantasy map, not an official LTA release. And again, "Stage 6" is often used to mean the DTE, but the article talks about a Stage 6 beyond the DTE that would actually complete the circle. Jpatokal 20:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

The logical thing would be for the stations between HabourFront and Dhoby Ghaut to switch from North East Line to Circle Line. That would complete the circle and the North East Line would then run from Dhoby Ghaut to Punggol. However, the concession to operate the North East Line may be a problem. Mcarling (talk) 05:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

For now, this is not possible, as the NEL uses overhead power lines, whereas the CCL uses third rail. Also, NEL has 6 cars coupled together, but CCL only has 3 cars. For such a change, there would have to be infrastructure changes to the rails and stations and signal systems. With the announcements of extension from promenade to bayfront and subsequently marina bay, it is more likely for extension to be built from marina bay to harbourfront. However whether this is the future plan remains to be seen. - oahiyeel ^talk 06:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Adding a third rail and updating the signaling would cost perhaps 1% or less what it would cost to complete the circle along an all new route. Has there been an official announcement of a Circle Line extension from Promenade to Marina Bay? I cannot find one. It seems like an Internet urban legend. I would be grateful for a link to an official announcement. If the Circle Line will go to Marina Bay, what will become of the section from Promenade to Dhoby Ghaut? Will it become part of the Downtown Line or one of the other planned lines or will the Circle Line have a branch? A "Circle Line" that is not a closed circle is bad enough, but a branch is not compatible with the name. Mcarling (talk) 09:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

LTA announced sometime this year that a station would be added "to close the circle". The station is "Keppel" and would be in between HarbourFront station and Marina Bay station. So, do we want to add that in? Funkyspyspy (talk) 09:00, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

References

Status

Stages 2 and 3 opened today. The article should be revised to reflect this:

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_515698.html

Palevsky (talk) 05:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

It appears that no part of the CCL will open on 2008. This information appears to be quietly slipped into some of the governmental websites. c.f. http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/proj_rail_ccl.htm and http://www.mot.gov.sg/motivate_issue_sept2006.pdf. Am I right? unkx80 12:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this is largely due to the collapse of the construction site at Nicoll Highway station in 2004. Sandstorm6299 19:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Map

There is an official map showing the Circle Line here: http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/system_map.gif Mcarling (talk) 14:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and your point being? Btw, the updated map is shown here: http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/mrt_map_big.gif - oahiyeel ^talk 14:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The point is that this page has a note at the top from the Maps Task Force that the article needs a map. Thanks for linking to a newer one. Perhaps someone here knows how to add it to the article. Mcarling (talk) 21:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I see. But the main page now has the MRT system map, with the Circle line highlighted in orange. Does that qualify? I'm trying to create a route diagram as per North South/ East West Lines, but is a little busy lately.. Will put it up when it's done :) - oahiyeel ^talk 03:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I won't claim to know all the Maps Task Force rules, but in my opinion the map to which you linked would make an excellent addition to the Circle Line article. If the same map is available without Stage 1 of the Downtown Line, that would be even better (for the Circle Line article). Mcarling (talk) 23:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that map I linked can be uploaded, due to copyright issues. We probably have to re-create one from scratch. - oahiyeel ^talk 02:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

It might be easier to get permission from LTA to use the map than to create one from scratch. Although someone here seems to enjoy making these schematic MRT maps. Is that you? Mcarling (talk) 04:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

LTA grants permission to use its maps, but only if you pay S$10 and sign an agreement with a raft of conditions totally incompatible with open licensing. So, no, we can't use them on Wikipedia. Jpatokal (talk) 07:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope, i wasn't the one who made the maps. It's User:Advanced. I could try though. :) - oahiyeel ^talk 10:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Ideally, a map for the Circle Line article would look very similar to the one you linked to, except without Stage 1 of the Downtown Line. The legend could be in a different corner to make it obvious it's not a copy of an LTA map. It would be great if someone could make such a map and we could get rid of the note from the Maps Task Force at the top of the article. Mcarling (talk) 01:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Marina Bay Extension?

Is there any evidence that a Marina Bay Extension is planned? The link cited in the article http://www.lta.gov.sg/tender_info/notice/tenders_notice_nov07_901qp.htm does not even hint at a Marina Bay Extension. I can't find anything official to support it. It seems to be an urban legend. Mcarling (talk) 04:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It is confirmed. You may see https://app-pac.mica.gov.sg/data/vddp/embargo/6260896.htm , point 22. Also in the link above it is stated "...Construction and Completion of Circle Line (CCL) Marina Bay Station..." As for the bayfront station, it has been announced. I can't find the actual announcement, but u may see this map by the LTA: http://www.lta.gov.sg/images/DTL_27Apr07.pdf :) - oahiyeel ^talk 04:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Mcarling (talk) 09:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The obvious place to locate a station between Marina Bay and HarbourFront (closing the circle) would be the site of the existing Tanjong Pagar KTM station. Perhaps construction of an MRT station can be used to force Malaysia to comply with their agreement to close the KTM station. Mcarling (talk) 09:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The official name of the extension is the Circle Line Extension (CLE). It can be seen here, in a call for tenders at the government website GeBiz: http://www.gebiz.gov.sg/scripts/main.do;wlsessionid=M17qLypRXLkSlmGJryn9ybHXhvBKhcT2jxPTkf0VvLsKvn0rPdYl!782596055!NONE?doctype=PQ&doc=LTA000EPQ08000019 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.98.127 (talk) 04:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Circle Line opening

The Circle Line is open as of 28^th May 2009! --116.14.27.127 (talk) 05:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

To Davey2010 Irobotboy (talk) 02:37, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Please read the information carefully. Stage 3 of the Circle Line opened on 28 May 2009, Stages 1 and 2 opened on 17 April 2010 and Stages 4 and 5 opened on 8 October 2011. Irobotboy (talk) 02:39, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Colour

I think the appropriate word for the Circle Line's colour is Amber. I've as many friends saying that it is Yellow as it is Orange. changed (talk) 12:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

According to sources like SMRT and LTA, the colour code used is #f79d0b. It would also make more sense that it is Orange since the colour is more similar to Orange, although for some cases, it may be displayed as Yellow(The camera has a problem making sure that the colour is right or The contractor didn't got the mixtures correct for that certain colour. I don't know). Funkyspyspy (talk) 09:08, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

It is referred to as yellow on the LTA website: https://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=i6lsssg4nwciqyu81sfcd3q2fm43re55s0r650621jls20eu3l 98.207.174.221 (talk) 15:36, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I think LTA was wrong about the colour of the Circle Line, it is actually amber as the colour of the Circle is a red-orange colour and not yellow, it says so in the colout wheel, yeah lta is actually wrong.AwesomeEden9999 (talk) 4:35, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

I think keep at yellow as that's what I'm the official sources.-1.02 editor (talk) 04:41, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Which official sources do you mean? I think that "Come dressed in yellow (CCL's line colour on the system map)" is not exactly an official statement. Dicklyon (talk) 01:58, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

It seems most people here agree that the color is not yellow, except the person who posted the old LTA article. If you key the RGB coordinates into https://www.color-blindness.com/color-name-hue/ you will find that the color's hue is Orange and the color name is Dark Tangerine. Please reach a consensus here before changing the color on the main page. Mrrobins (talk) 14:29, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

@Mrrobins and Dicklyon: Regarding my entry from 2 years ago, if the source mentioned above is not to be considered reliable and there are no other relaible sources available then i suggest we put the color as either 'Chrome Yellow' (255, 167, 0) or 'Amber' (255, 191, 0), as these are the closest colors to that represented on the MRT system map which as technically an official source as it is published by the LTA. The color that you suggested i prove is yellow, (254, 158, 19), is in fact a darker version of chrome yellow. Before you tell me to "fix color blindness" please go and compare the color on the MRT map to either the RGB color you suggested, 'Chrome Yellow' or 'Amber' and see which has more resemblance. 1.02 editor (C651 set 217/218) 15:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I think chrome yellow is a pigment, not a color. And the color "National School Bus Chrome Yellow" is lighter than the color here. So yes maybe this color can be made with that pigment, but it would be odd to call it that. Amber seems closer. But why do we need a color name? Dicklyon (talk) 18:45, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: well there is a sentence in every MRT line stating that ‘The line is coloured xxx on the system map’ and in the case for this line there seems to be an issue on the Color that is used. 1.02 editor (C651 set 217/218) 22:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@1.02 editor: If you are looking for an official source that states explicitly what the line colour is, the mytransport.sg website (which is an LTA website) says the line is orange. See https://www.mytransport.sg/content/mytransport/home/commuting.html#Train_Services . Further, the RGB of the Circle Line banner itself on wikipedia is precisely (254, 158, 19) as culled from Photoshop's eyedropper tool, not (255,167,0) or (255,191,0).

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Also, the banner color used on Wikipedia can’t be used as a basis for this argument for obvious reasons. Meanwhile, the website mentions orange but there is no evidence given that the Color given is yellow. Also, I don’t know what the eyedropper tools is as I don’t use photoshop but I’m sure the RGB pallet also works similarly. Please provide a specific pigment that is similar to that on the system map as the closest pigment that I see is chrome yellow which is a variant of amber, Please do not change the Color on the page unless you have obtained new consensus. 1.02 editor (C651 set 217/218) 05:14, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

You have not obtained consensus for the color being amber, contrary to what you may believe. I disagree that it should be amber. Please do not change the color until you have obtained consensus that it should be amber. I have provided the color hue as culled from https://www.color-blindness.com/color-name-hue/ and also provided an LTA source stating unequivocally that it is orange. I don't understand what more you are asking for. Mrrobins (talk) 02:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Mrrobins: neither have you obtained consensus on it being orange. I will raise this matter at the SGpedian's Notice board and get the input from other editors before we make a final decision on this. Besides that, the website you have provided states that the RGB value of the color translates to Tangerine Yellow and its hue is yellow and not orange. please refrain from changing the color until a clear consensus has been reached. The color will be put as 'Yellow-Orange' or 'Amber' until we can hear from more editors. 1.02 editor (C651 set 217/218) 07:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@1.02 editor:,@Mrrobins:: Eyedropper tool from photoshop or any other program (its actually inbuilt in the Chrome browser also via inspect element), its like an eyedropper picking up the colour and then telling you what colour, or rather what are the component colours in RGB etc. Using the same system map[1], I used a chrome extension to pick the colour (#f99d27 #fa2 goldenrod hsl(33,94,56) rgb(249,157,39) ). Goldenrod (color) is a yellow hue, #f99d27 is determined as yellow hue also. We can only assume the pdf, etc, is coloured based on LTA's specification. A simple email to LTA confirming the colour will be good but based on colouring scheme, which seems to be yellow, I will assume yellow being the correct colour for the time being. --Xaiver0510 (talk) 03:15, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

I have emailed LTA and they have confirmed the color is orange (See picture below). Mrrobins (talk) 01:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

LTA email stating the color is Orange.

@1.02 editor: Just had the reply from LTA and yes, they confirmed it is orange and updated the press release as well. --Xaiver0510 (talk) 09:46, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

The date in which the stations opened

For all the articles of the Circle Line stations that were already open, I feel that the date should not be stated in the paragraph, as there is already information in the infobox. I have seen the articles of the stations in other MRT lines, which mostly did not state the opening date (or no longer) in the paragraph and only in the infobox. Should I remove them, suggestions? --Frontier95 (talk) 14:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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Please read the information carefully. Stage 3 of the circle line opened on 28 May 2009, Stages 1 and 2 opened on 17 April 2010, Stages 4 and 5 opened on 8 October 2011 and the circle line extension opened on 14 January 2012. Irobotboy (talk) 02:35, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 May 2019

There's a sentence in "Circle Line Stage 6" subsection where boldface is used but it creates a bit of mess because a quotation mark is also rendered as bold. To fix that, I suggest using another formatting option. So 'Circle Line '''stage 6'''' can be fixed this way: 'Circle Line {{strong|stage 6}}'
In addition to that, I request some other improvements:
1. Removing an extra dot in a lead sentence: ...world's longest driverless rapid transit lines.[1]. -> ...world's longest driverless rapid transit lines.[1]
2. Adding a comma: Currently all 24 C830Cs are in revenue service. -> Currently, all 24 C830Cs are in revenue service.
3. Adding an article: ...and expand rail network to the southern edge of The Central Business District. -> and expand the rail network to the southern edge of The Central Business District.
Thank you in advance. Ur frnd (talk) 09:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Caldecott shuttle service on weekends

For the past four weeks (since the time of this post), there has been a few trains on the CCL shuttling between Paya Lebar/Marina Bay and Caldecott on weekends. Is it okay to create a new sub-section in the article that describes the services, including the Marina Bay shuttle, even if there is no actual sources to cite this?
Joofer Jupiter (talk) 08:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately no. As stated, everything requires a citation. So unless SMRT produce like a schedule or something, we can't add in. Besides it also veers into WP:NOTGUIDE.--ZKang123 (talk) 09:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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