Talk:Circle dance/Archive 1
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Great start, but needs a lot more info on history of individual local dances. Tuna027 05:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Happy Gnome Week! Research is already underway on getting this cleaned up. Before I start tagging stuff, I'm hoping that one of the primary authors have this watchlisted and will help chime in. First, NPOV. "The style and mood reflects the group and the interests of the teacher. The aim always is to experience the joy of dancing with others and to create a sense of well-being and community." I'm not sure there's a way to salvage the sentiments of that statement, as people obviously dance for any number of reasons. You could perhaps say that all human social activity tends to be towards a sense of well-being and community, but at that point, the statement becomes pointless.
Next, citations. Lots of them. First, I asked around to see if anyone ever heard of an Anglican or Episcopalian service using circle dance as meditation or worship, and the answer was a resounding and condescending no. That one needs strong citation or it's going to be gone with the first round of revisions. Aside from that, there's "the circle is the world's oldest dance formation," religious traditions that actually do use circle dance (perhaps aside from modern neopaganism, since that has a separate entry), the origins of circle dance groups, the work of Bernhard Wosien, and the entire entry of SCD. Aside from the entry on Anglicanism, I'm working with the assumption that this is all correct, and I'll be sure to drop a note asking for more researching eyes before nixing anything from the article.
As a little aside, my keyboard is damaged and I'm dropping lots of characters. Please do check my edits for missing letters or spaces. CAHeyden 06:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Some web references to Circle Dance in various Christian contexts:
- http://www.theredeemer.ca/pdf/2008GatheringPentecost.pdf
- http://www.gillinghamanglican.org.uk/general/mag/otherart.shtml
- http://www.norwich.anglican.org/magazine/pdf/Across_the_See_2008_03.pdf
- http://www.st-james-piccadilly.org/sermons/SJPAnnualRpt2006-2007.pdf
- http://www.new-church-lifeline.org.uk/archive/year2001/may2001.pdf
- http://www.luf.ca/sermon20.pdf
- http://www.parishnews-online.co.uk/feb2006.htm
- These all have mentions of circle dance in christian meditation/worship or similar contexts. (You may need to use page search facilities to find them.) I may find the time to put these in properly in main article, but anyone else is welcome to do this of course. FrankSier (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC).
- I have now put these references in the main article. FrankSier (talk) 15:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
- These references have now gone from the article. If I understand the article History correctly, they were removed on 11 May 2012 by Spathi2, with an edit summary of 'All these references do not add to information about circle dance but just add clutter making it difficult to add new stuff'. How do references make it difficult to add new stuff? The article now has the assertion that Circle Dance is used in the Church of England and other Anglican churches without any references to back it up. FrankSier (talk) 20:53, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
- As there has been no response after 4 months, I have replaced 2 of the references. Also, my understanding is that references do not have to add further information about the subject - these references are there to support the truth of the statement, particularly as this had previously been challenged. FrankSier (talk) 00:08, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Merge?
So... Why no merging this and Round dance? Is there a difference that just isn't specified in either article and should be? Because as it is, they're both short and say basically the same thing, just mention different specific dances of the circle variety. Even as much as a short comment with the edit removing the tag would've been helpful, but since there wasn't one, hopefully this'll get a useful explanation instead, else I see no reason to not put the tags back up. -Bbik 10:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- There seem to be two separate organisational/social structures promoting these dance practices, the Round Dance organisation being U.S. based. ===Vernon White (talk) 11:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Is that really a reason not to merge? They can't just both be explained in subsections as location-based variations of the same thing? On the other hand, if we want to make a clearer distinction, how about Circle dance refer more to the traditional-based with modern additions aspect, while Round dance refers to the more modern, often ballroom-turned-folk aspect (apparently more commonly found in the US)? That's how the external links seem to split it anyhow, even if the articles aren't as clear. In that case, this section in Round dance should probably be moved here (or maybe to Folk dance?), and the intro there needs to be reworked to clarify the difference. I can try doing something for that, but I wouldn't be thrilled to then find it was reverted without comments like the merge suggestion, so at the very least I'm not touching it until there's some sort of agreement on how the two articles should be split so the differences are actually clear. -Bbik 06:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- My first time editing/posting on Wikipedia (though I think recognise some words of mine from publicity blurbs in the description of Sacred Circle Dance!), so sorry if I have not got all the form right. As a UK circle dance teacher,I have never heard of "round dance" as a modern form, whereas "circle dance", sometimes known as "sacred circle dance", very much is a current label which is meaningful to its participants. It is something which I feel needs its own entry. The "Round Dance" entry's section on "Cued round dances" refers, I think, to dances where pairs of people dance in a circular formation. This has a very different feel to the chain-type of circle dance where everyone is joined together. There could be just as much - or little - reason to merge Circle Dance with International Folk Dance as with Round Dance. The point about modern (Sacred) Circle Dance is that it also incorporates some meditational and spiritual etc. elements from a variety of sources, so as a category it is actually rather different from "folk dances done in circles or chains".Paul dance 13:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Sacred Circle Dance or Circle Dance Controvesy
You have to disambiguate:
a) Circle Dance - generic term for any dance in a Circle - for Round dance, Round is a term much like Square or Line in Square and Line Dancing - a particular genre name
b) UK Circle Dance groups - originally doing folk dances without a partner in circles, compare with similar international folk dance groups from that time ( 1940-1950) that tended to do european set dances.
c) 'Sacred' Circle dance - modern phenominum from the 1970's
Be aware that generally the Sacred Dance lot try to take over Circle dance and have very few scruples in doing so. Apparantly being 'Sacred' justifies a lot of things.
http://www.dmoz.org/Arts/Performing_Arts/Dance/Sacred_and_Circle_Dance/Circle_Dance/desc.html contains an attempt to sort out the genre which may be worth checking out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.239.178 (talk) 10:33, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
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