Talk:Circuit judge (England and Wales)

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The result of the move request was: moved to Circuit judge (England and Wales). Jenks24 (talk) 15:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

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Circuit judge (UK) → Circuit Judge –

Since the UK seems to be the only jurisdiction that officially terms judges Circuit Judges, I thinkCircuit Judges should link to here, with a further link to a Circuit Judge (disambiguation) page at the top. The existing Circuit Judges should be renamed as a disambiguation page. Doing it the other way around, as it presently is, is US-centric.Gymnophoria (talk) 16:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. (1) Per WP:CAPS, Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper noun. Circuit Judge John Doe is Doe's formal title, capitalized, but a generic circuit judge isn't capitalized. (2) A circuit judge is a judge in a circuit court, and should similarly cover the topic from a worldwide viewpoint. UK is not the only jurisdiction, see Circuit Court (Ireland), United States circuit court, Alabama Circuit Courts, Florida Circuit Courts, Hawaii State Circuit Courts, Illinois Circuit Courts, Kentucky Circuit Courts... Wbm1058 (talk) 20:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose US has Circuit Judges -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 05:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
• Comment there is another open requested move at Talk:Circuit judge -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 05:19, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose UK is hardly the only one, I think the US term is actually more known. TJ Spyke 11:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose for same reasons given on Talk:Circuit judge. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
• Move to Circuit judge (England and Wales), since the rest of the UK doesn't have them. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
• Agree or Move to Circuit judge (England and Wales). As the preceding comment says, this is not a UK wide title. Scotland (for instance) does not have them. The "UK" qualification is just plain wrong. It is said by others in this discussion that the term is used by other jurisdictions. If that is correct, the fact should be noted, eg in the articles Circuit Court (Ireland), United States circuit court. At the moment there is no evidence in those articles that the judges are called "circuit judges" and some evidence they are called other things. If no other jurisdiction uses the term, then the entry should of course be reserved for the England and Wales variety, otherwise not. It is of course nonsense to say that "A circuit judge is a judge in a circuit court". There is no such thing as a circuit court in England where we invented the term "circuit" in its judicial context. Circuit judges sit in a variety of courts, in particular county courts and the Crown Court but also in other places. Francis Davey (talk) 13:48, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
• Comment opening the same discussion in multiple locations confuses the process. --Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 00:02, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
• Objection, your Honor, the question assumes facts not in evidence! The Republic of Ireland also has a section in Circuit court. Comment was incorrectly placed on WP:RM by 86.40.100.251 -- Interplanet Janet, Esquire IANAL 17:17, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

So it does, but do they call their judges "circuit judges"? I don't know. Neither does wikipedia. Something that should be resolved either way. Francis Davey (talk) 20:01, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

United States circuit court is a historical article about a court that was abolished in 1911. Text in this article: "...and later a circuit judge, would sit on the circuit court."; "...circuit riding was somewhat alleviated by the appointment of circuit judges under the Circuit Judges Act of 1869."; "Although any district court judge could be authorized to act as a circuit judge..."—the term is a general and broad term, and any Wikipedia article on circuit judge should cover the topic from a broad, worldwide, current and historical perspective. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. I missed that. Then "circuit judge" is a generic terms and this page should simply be moved to Circuit judge (England and Wales). It really makes no sense being here. By the way this is not at all obvious (as it might seem to you). Over here: district judge doesn't sit in a district court (there's no such thing) and a circuit judge doesn't sit in a circuit court, puisne judges (when we had them) didn't sit in a puisne court. It just isn't logical in the way you might expect, but that's because we don't have a neat judge/court mapping that some jurisdictions do. Francis Davey (talk) 20:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose, Circuit Judge is a generic term and there is no evidence of a primary topic. older ≠ wiser 12:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose but move to Circuit judge (England and Wales) as the E&W usage is not primary and this title isn't found in Scotland or Northern Ireland. Bencherlite^Talk 15:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

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