Talk:Circumcision controversy in early Christianity

Move?

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The result of the move request was: page not moved per discussion. In particular, Johnbod makes a strong argument below for keeping the scope of this article narrow, and using a different location for the more general topic. - GTBacchus^(talk) 23:25, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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Circumcision controversy in early Christianity → Circumcision in Christianity –

• Someone made this move undiscussed, and someone asked me to revert it. I better get it discussed. Relisted. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 22:25, 2 August 2011 (UTC) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:10, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
• The existing article is about the Circumcision controversy in early Christianity. If someone wants to write an article on Circumcision in Christianity, they should go do it. These are different topics. 75.15.195.243 (talk) 16:50, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
• Support - Keep it open for all material. Marcus Qwertyus 21:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose The place for the general topic is the section in Religious male circumcision, which has far more general material than here, and where Circumcision in Christianity redirects, as it should. This is a tightly focused article on a very distinct, indeed obscure, topic, and it makes no sense to widen it or "Keep it open for all material"! The other article would be the basis for a separate Circumcision in Christianity article, if one were to be written. Johnbod (talk) 21:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Whilst tribal or religious affiliations impact on male circumcision acceptability in Zimbabwe, there is generally lack of consensus amongst Christians on the practice of male circumcision in Africa. WHO (2007) observes that male circumcision is a regular practice amongst the Coptic, Ethiopian, Egyptian and Eritrean Orthodox Churches but it is not practiced by most Christians in Africa. Christians amongst the Luo in Kenya believed that male circumcision should be practiced since Jesus was circumcised, yet others believed that male circumcision was a sin since it changed the way people were created (Bailey 2007).

ACCEPTABILITY OF MEDICAL MALE CIRCUMCISION WITHIN THE APOSTOLIC MARANGE SECT IN ZIMBABWE; A QUALITATIVE STUDY Oliver T. Gore1 (MDS), Manase Kudzai Chiweshe (MSc Sociology and Social Anthropology, PhD Sociology, Post Doctoral Fellow)2 Manenji Mangundu3 (MPH, DPhil Student), & Agnes Mangundu4 (MDS) 1) Faculty of Gender and Development Studies, Women’s University in Africa, Zimbabwe 2) Faculty of Humanities, Rhodes University, South Africa 3) College of Human Sciences, Department of Health Studies, University of South Africa (UNISA) 4) Faculty of Gender and Development Studies, Women’s University in Africa, Zimbabwe RPSM (talk) 01:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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The source states: "though in many countries (especially the United States and Sub-Saharan Africa, but not so much in Europe) it is widely practiced among Christians" [Gruenbaum, Ellen (2015). The Female Circumcision Controversy: An Anthropological Perspective. University of Pennsylvania Press. p. 61.], the source is not mentioned certain countries. Many sources mention that the majority of Christians in Africa practice circumcision, and there are a large number of African countries where Christians practice circumcision.Kfager1 (talk) 02:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

The source you cited clarifies that in many countries of certain regions, circumcision is practiced, though in other regions, it is not. The reference I provided, Jesus the Jew in Christian Memory: Theological and Philosophical Explorations (published by Cambridge University Press), makes this clear: "In his cultural accounts of circumcision, Boyarin clearly presupposes an alienated attitude to circumcision in Western countries. They show that the Christian memory of Jesus' circumcision is significantly weaker than the growing awareness of his Jewishness. In contemporary political debates – as in Canada or in North-European countries and especially in Germany – circumcision is typically described as an 'archaic' rite, with those practicing it presented as forced to do so by some 'ancient' law or custom." Captivity, Flight, and Survival in World War II, published by the Greenwood Publishing Group mentions that "In the last resort, even Jewish men otherwise well equipped to pretend to be Christians could be spotted, since circumcision was rare among Eastern European Christians." The male circumcision rate in Canada is currently 31.9%, per Springer Nature, and that number continues to drop. The best analysis of the references is to state that the practice is common in certain countries with a Christian majority, while in others, it is not; this treatment is consistent with Wikipedia's policy on neutrality. Kind regards, Anupam^Talk 03:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)