Talk:CityPASS

Proposed move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Not moved. There is no clear consensus to move. MOS:TMRULES may favor a different outcome, but it is a guideline, and is subject to local exceptions. Avoiding artificially imposed ambiguity is a reasonable basis for deviating from the preference expressed in the guideline. However, CityPass may still need to be disambiguated, no matter the title of this article. bd2412 T 23:54, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

CityPASS → ? – As per MOS:TMRULES, this page should be renamed and "Pass" cannot be in all caps because it is not an acronym. However, the page CityPass already exists as a redirect to Jerusalem Light Rail. Either both similarly-titled pages should be moved with a disambiguation page created, or this page should be moved to CityPass with a hatnote for Jerusalem Light Rail. If this page was to be moved via the first proposal, I'm not exactly sure how to disambiguate it. --Relisted. Dekimasuよ! 19:51, 23 November 2014 (UTC) –Dream out loud (talk) 02:15, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

• Rename to CityPass (U.S. company) and convert "CityPass" into a disambiguation page, with "CityPASS" pointing to it. Create a redirect for CityPass (Israeli company) for the JLR article. A "CityPass" is also covered at Santa Rosa CityBus and Riverside Transit Agency, while a "Citypass" is covered at Seoul Metropolitan Subway -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 06:14, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

  "CityPass" isn't standard English formatting either, so why would we use that for this article? —BarrelProof (talk) 23:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose as stated. Everyone refers the mentioned US version as City PASS and MOS rules can go irrationally far some times. If its considered that there CityPASS is not primary topic then CityPass (U.S. company) or CityPASS (U.S. company) might be used. Israel is a tiny country with train line mentioned runs across a point to point distance of 10 km. I used to live there and can vouch for hills in addition to the winding route but a rail card for this small track is not notable. Santa Rosa CityBus and Riverside Transit Agency as mentioned, are both in the US making disambiguation even less clear. Gregkaye ✍♪ 13:17, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose the page name seems correct.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:37, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

The page name is not adhering to MOS:TMRULES. "CityPASS" is a trademarked named and the MOS explisitly states "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting 'official'". –Dream out loud (talk) 21:41, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

• Comment: MOS:TMRULES says that CamelCase can be acceptable as a matter of editorial discretion, although CamelCase isn't exactly "standard English text formatting". "CityPASS" is not all-caps – three of its letters are lowercase, so I think it's CamelCase (or StudlyCase, which the corresponding article says is sometimes referred to as CamelCase), and I therefore think it doesn't necessarily fall afoul of MOS:TMRULES. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:09, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

CamelCase is when just one letter in the middle of the word is capitalized, like "MasterCard" or "PowerPoint". "CityPASS" does not fall in that category and would only be allowed if "PASS" was an acronym. –Dream out loud (talk) 01:15, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't object to using "CityPass" here if others prefer it and at least some recent sources use it. I agree that "CityPASS" seems to be vanity styling for promotional purposes, but it's not quite the same thing as all-uppercase – and, as noted in the Studly caps article, I think many people would consider it CamelCase. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:17, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

• Rename to CityPass (US company) and convert CityPass into a disambiguation page, with CityPASS redirecting to it, and create a redirect for CityPass (Israeli company) for the JLR article, all per 67.70.35.44, except: There is no need to spell "US" as "U.S.' except where it is conventionally more-or-less-required by reliable sources as the most accepted usage for the case in question. There is no provision in MOS or AT that "U.S." should be used generally as the default, and WP:Manual of Style#US and U.S. observes that today even major US style guides prefer "US" over "U.S." We need to be decreasing, not increasing use of "U.S.' in Wikipedia, especially in article titles where we strive for conciseness.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  22:41, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. If MOS:TMRULES truly mandates that only acronyms can be capitalized, then IMHO it should change. There's too many weird exceptions to be able to declare a general style rule. Capitalizing PASS seems fine here. SnowFire (talk) 05:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
• Strong support – While a few people may disagree with widely accepted Wikipedia policy, it's policy nevertheless for a reason. This page should maintain consistency with the rest of the English Wikipedia. I've seen no compelling reason in this discussion for this page to be the one exception to the rule. --V2Blast (talk) 07:49, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
• Support - some variation of CityPass per User:V2Blast. Wikipedia policies are adopted by the Wikipedia community. Deviating from this should occur only where there is a really good argument for doing so, and I don't see one here. Ground Zero | t 18:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"[Attraction X] is an attraction covered by CityPASS" added to articles on the various attractions covered by CityPASS

I have begun adding "[Attraction X] is an attraction covered by CityPASS" to the Toronto attractions covered by CityPASS, such as the CN Tower, the Royal Ontario Museum, Ripley's Aquarium of Canada, the Ontario Science Centre, and the Toronto Zoo. I even made a note about the mutually exclusive options in the case of the Ontario Science Centre and the Toronto Zoo. The same can be done for other attractions in other cities. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 02:57, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

To me that seems like promotion of this tourism program, and shouldn't be done. Do we have any indication that people who read an article about some building or museum want to know that it is part of this tourism promotion program? Is that encyclopedic information? Per WP:NOTTRAVEL, Wikipedia is not a travel guide. —BarrelProof (talk) 05:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)