Talk:City Connection

Locations

I think that one of the locations is a Dutch landscape, with the tulips and the windmill, but I'm not sure if it's the same location that is referred with "unspecified lake", because it's not a lake...--84.58.22.237 (talk) 10:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The second location is not London with Big Ben? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.211.52.233 (talk) 15:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there's definitely a London City (Palace of Westminster/Big Ben) and a Dutch Landscape stage in the arcade game of City Connection. Furthermore, the article seems to imply that the game was called City Connection in Japan only. That's not true. I definitely remember having played a non-Japanese version of the arcade game in 1987, and it was called City Connection, not Cruisin'.--217.232.252.43 (talk) 10:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hect developed the NES version.

I could not find any reference at all to Hect in the manual, box, or title screen. Does anyone have a source to substantiate this statement? Daram.G (talk) 14:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

As of the time of this reply, 14 years later, it's listed on Hect's entry, but there's nothing about Hect on the game's page itself. Someone wanna clear this up for good? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.134.54.202 (talk) 01:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Car

Is the car a Honda City? Looks more like a Suzuki Alto to me...

http://www.japanautodirect.com/stock/1818.jpg

it's definitely a Honda City. Contrast the City Connection box shot http://gamesdbase.com/Media/SYSTEM/MSX/Box/big/City_Connection_-_1986_-_Jaleco_Ltd..jpg with http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Honda-City-02-640x463.jpg Mattsephton (talk) 16:33, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Graphics bug in flip-jump

When jumping to a higher platform while changing the driving direction (flip jump), there is a graphics bug. One of the animation phases is just garbage, not the image of a car. I wonder if this is an error in the emulator, or a bad dump, or if it is the same with the original arcade machine as well. Does anyone know? --84.177.30.195 (talk) 23:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

In the release notes to DSP Emulator 0.8ß2, there is an entry "City Connection +BUG: Fixed X axis inversion of sprites". If I find the time, I will check whether this addresses the bug mentioned above. But I wonder why there's no corresponding fix to be found in the release notes to MAME. --84.177.55.97 (talk) 19:30, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Playing it just now in MAME and recording the video so I could slow it down frame by frame: it is not a corrupt or garbage frame of graphics, but rather that when you do this type of flip-jump the animation frames are not displayed in the correct order, which results in an odd flicker of frames that should not follow each other. The animation goes from car pointing one direction (say, right) to pointing the in opposite direction (say, left), then the nose of the car is shown to dip down a couple of times in between other animation frames showing it pointing up. Then the car points even higher as it resumes the correct "jump descent" animation sequence. I'll try to post a GIF or video. Mattsephton (talk) 16:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Genre: Racing?

Hello. I'm questioning the inclusion of "Racing" as part of this game's genre. Yes, you control a car, but could be anything else, really, and there's no actual racing in the game at all. There's not even a time limit (which would make Super Mario Bros. more of "racing" game than this one).

I'd suggest deleting the "racing" tag and just let the "Platform" part. That's really all that you do in the game, go left or right, jump around and occasionally shoot. If anyone disagrees, explain why.

Thanks. Raven-14 (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:City Connection/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TarkusAB (talk · contribs) 21:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Older Japanese games are my thing. Before I take a closer look, I will say off the bat there are some passages missing sources (Gameplay, some of Legacy). Everything should be sourced. Other than that, I'll be taking a look at this soon, hopefully this weekend. TarkusAB^talk 21:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I had a list of sources for each section and I forgot to add them to the gameplay section. I'll also need to add the sources I had for the PS Mobile version of City Connection rocket. I'll get to those soon. Namcokid47 (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I've added sources for both sections you mentioned. I'll try add more of them if needed. Namcokid47 (talk) 16:29, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

OK. To save time, I will make what I consider to be minor, uncontroversial edits as I go through. Anything else I will note below. Revert anything I do if you disagree and we can discuss here.

Gameplay

• There are still unsourced passages here. Everything should be sourced.
• which will change in design throughout each stage - Is this that important to point out? Seems trivial to me.
• "retract" means to withdraw or pull back in. it sounds like "extrude" is a better word
• Gaming History (aka Arcade History) is an unreliable source per WP:VG/S and should be replaced throughout the article.

Development

• In North America, it was licensed out to Kitkorp to be released as Crusin’ - This makes it sound like it never came out. Did it come out? Reword as: In North America, it was licensed out to Kitkorp and released as Crusin’
• The claim about Flahwalzer is not sourced.

Reception

• For the length of the reviews, the information here is surprisingly sparse. This whole can be fleshed out with much more detail on what in particular the critics liked and didn't like. Make sure to group comments by topic, not by critic.
• You can't find any contemporary reviews from releases before the 3DS?
• The second paragraph should come before the first because it's discussing earlier releases.
• Mention the system each score is for in the score box. Also, since the scores are in the box, I moved the scores out of prose.
• The second part in the Eurogamer quote about the 500 points burning a hole should be paraphrased.

Legacy

• NES and Famicom are the same thing for all intents and purposes here. Remove Family Computer in the first sentence.
• The Family Computer release was included in the - Change to say the NES release. I understand why you wrote this but it's the same game and more confusing to someone unfamiliar with the history of the NES/Famicom.
• PSX Data center does not appear to be a reliable source, should be replaced
• These first two paragraphs would make more sense in a release section, before Reception. This will also do a better job at setting the context for the Reception section after it.
• Note i-mode was not a service run by Jaleco. The way you mention it a couple times on the article as "Jaleco's i-mode storefront" makes it sound like they owned it. I fixed this.

Lead

• t was soon licensed to Kitkorp to be released in North America as Cruisin’. Same problem I mentioned before
• Nothing here from reception. There should be a sentence or two summarizing the critical reception.
• There is a lot of detail here on the re-releases. Trim some of this out to only what is important to know from a high level.
• Platforms in the infobox should only be dedicated ports, not emulated versions.
• Add release dates (or months, or years) for the platforms you narrow down to in the bullet above
• The image should either be the Arcade flyer, or if that can't be found, the NES box art.

Other

Finally, here are some sources I found that are not used in the article. I will look for more and add any I find here:

• http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/nes/city_connection
• http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/wiiu-eshop/city_connection_nes
• Nintendo Power, issue 1, page 84 (just a short gameplay description if it's needed)
• Computer Entertainer Vol. 7 issue 2: Page 9 gives NES release date May 1988. Game reviewed on Page 10.

Final comments

@Namcokid47: OK so those are my comments from a first pass. Overall it's not bad. My biggest concerns are the reception section can definitely be expanded, and there was also a couple unreliable sources that need to be replaced, and if they cannot, then that information needs to be removed. Ping me once you're finished making changes or have any questions and I will give it another look through. TarkusAB^talk 15:30, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Hey there. I'm not done with correcting everything yet (although I've managed to iron out most of them), but I've got a question for sources - would the Killer List of Video Games be a reliable source, or is that disallowed? Thanks. Namcokid47 (talk) 01:41, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

It's reliable. See WP:VG/S TarkusAB^talk 09:35, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I originally looked through that list and didn't see it, but giving it another look I did find it listed on there. Thanks again, should make some of the unreliable sources easier to replace. Namcokid47 (talk) 16:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

TarkusAB Alright, I've finished making corrections to the article and ironing out all of the errors in the page. Namcokid47 (talk) 21:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@Namcokid47: I will give it a proper second review this weekend. I did glance over it however and I think the Reception section is still not up to snuff. It needs a rewrite. Main concerns are:

• Too many quotes. Quotes can be used occasionally when necessary but not pulled from every review. Paraphrase the quotes as much as you can.
• It's just a list of critics and a comment they made back-to-back. IGN said this. GameSpot said this. 1UP.com said this. We try to avoid that.
• It lacks detail. Just saying IGN criticized the controls, music and visuals is not enough information. What about the visuals did they dislike? Were the sprites crudely drawn? Were the backgrounds bland? Poor animation? I get they may not always provide details but these reviews look a decent length and so the briefness of this section here is striking.

I will tell you how I write Reception sections and maybe it will help you. First, read through each review and list comments they make. Like for example (making it up) GameSpot says the graphics were sharp and colorful; liked the animations on the enemies; felt the gameplay was addicting. Once you make a list of comments for each review, start writing the Reception section by weaving these comments together based on topic. For example, comments about graphics should be written together: "Some critics liked the graphics. GameSpot felt they were sharp and colorful. IGN agreed and commended the attention to detail on the character sprites. Though GameSpot liked the animation, Kotaku criticized it for being slow". This type of writing is much more fascinating, and you and the reader can draw a better conclusion on what the general consensus was on the game. TarkusAB^talk 23:38, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Gameplay

• Some of the passages are not supported by the sources. For example, Nintendo Power does not mention anything about the stage looping or to clear stages by painting on pavement. Or another example, KLOV does not discuss that cats are invulnerable. There is more of this in this section. Try using the reviews to write this section, as they should be much better at providing the important gameplay details that are worth mentioning here. Also consider using the NES manual if needed. Anything that can't be sourced should be removed.

Development

• No comment

Release

• Several ports of City Connection would be released for home platforms, such as the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES), Famicom, ZX Spectrum and MSX. First, needs source(s). Second, were these all the home platform ports? Instead of saying "several...such as", just say these were the ports released. Be direct rather than vague.
• A digital re-release was ported to the Wii Virtual Console in 2008 and later the 3DS and Wii U Virtual Console services in 2013. I imagine this was the emulated NES version? Mention that. Also needs sources.
• published first by PCCW Japan then later re-published in 2004 by Jaleco. Unsourced
• A 2003 mobile port, titled City Connection DX, was released for the Japanese i-mode online service. Unsourced

Reception

• See my comments under "Final comments"
• Add Computer Entertainer score to the infobox
• Fix the All Game score. You wrote 7/10 but the page says 3 and a half stars out of 5.

Legacy

• The game places Clarice as a spy for a secret organization to capture criminal leaders from around the world. Rather than painting sections of the road, Clarice must now collect briefcases placed in each stage whilst avoiding police cars and other types of enemies. Unsourced
• The service closed in September 2015, delisting the game from the PlayStation Store and other supported devices. Can you find a better source like a news article than just the closed store?
• Clarice would make an appearance as a playable character in GUNbare! Game Tengoku: The Game Paradise 2, misspelled as “Claris”, as well as the Sega Saturn re-release The Game Paradise Crusin’ Mix as downloadable content. Neither of these claims are supported by the sources.
• The rights to City Connection are currently owned... Can you show me where in the source this is mentioned?

Lead and Infobox

• Will wait to review lead until we can get the body in good shape
• Source on the composer?
• Some of the release dates are unsourced. If it's mentioned and sourced in prose it's all good, but that's not the case for all of them.

Second Review, Final Comments

• I went through and fixed a bunch of refs that were missing author names, missing dates, or otherwise formatted incorrectly. Please note that "date=" and "accessdate=" are not the same thing. "Date=" is the date it was published (more useful), while "accessdate=" is the date you accessed the page (useless in most cases). Also, when you call a ref more than once, you can just do what I did for Nintendo Power and put a backslash at the end of the ref mark so you're not repeating all the information again.
• As you can see above, I found a lot of passages that shared information that was not supported by the sources. That's not acceptable for a GA-class article so it needs to be fixed.
• @Namcokid47: TarkusAB^talk 21:18, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

@Namcokid47: Hey haven't seen a reply and seen littly activity on the article. Just curious if you plan on continuing with this review or not? I'm fine with waiting if it's in your plans. Thanks. TarkusAB^talk 17:03, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

• • I'm really, really sorry, I've been mainly working on a bunch of other projects both in and outside Wikipedia. I've added and fixed several of the sources brought up in your second review, and I intend to complete the Reception section today. Thank you. Namcokid47 (talk) 17:09, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
    • @Namcokid47: Hey I just came off a month long wikibreak. I haven't seen any progress on these items. Do you intend to make these improvements within the next week? If not, I will close the nomination and you can re-nominate again when you're ready. TarkusAB^talk 00:11, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
      • I'd say closing the nomination is best, considering the rather lackluster effort I've done to the page for a while. Plus I've been nominating other articles (notably Xevious), which I'd wish to focus more on than this page. Once that stuff is cleared out I'll fix this page up and renominate it again. Sincere apologies as if I wasted time....which I likely did. Namcokid47 (talk) 00:18, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
        • As long as you're reading and understanding my comments, and actively trying to put it into practice in your future writing, it's not a waste of my time. Some of the same comments I'm making could apply to your other Good Article nominations. You will probably see other reviewers bring up the same points. Best of luck. TarkusAB^talk 00:22, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
          • Your comments have been sincerely helpful, mainly those relating to the Reception section, which I'd definitely used to improve for my other pages. I greatly appreciate it. Namcokid47 (talk) 00:41, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Plot info

I looked into the conflicting different backstories of this game a while back. The information I submitted is at: http://gaminghell.co.uk/CityConnection.html which essentially reports the plot differences between regions/versions/releases.

• Japan Arcade & PS4 - looking for the ideal man
• Japan Famicom & Wii VC - wants to travel every highway in the world
• Spanish MSX - painting to make the roads more colorful
• USA & 3DS VC - male thief on the run from the police

There's also extra information on that page that may be of use. Nice work on the article! Mattsephton (talk) 16:34, 17 May 2019 (UTC) aka gingerbeardman

GamingHell is not listed as being reliable on this page, which is why I didn't include information from there, as much as I like that website. I should seriously fix up the rest of the issues though, it's been weeks since I've made any major edits to it.Namcokid47 (talk) 23:55, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Gaming Hell won't qualify as a source itself, but the references (printed and digital manuals) that it uses can hopefully be reused for this article. Flicky1984 (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:City Connection/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Le Panini (talk · contribs) 11:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Howdy. I suggest a quid pro quo; I review this article (which has been on the backlog for a while) and in return (because you always return the favor^{thx btw}), can give your opinion on the peer review of Super Mario Bros. 35. Luckily, it's just as short as this one. I'll have comments soon! Le Panini ^Talk 11:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Note: Me already reviewing this is implying that you now have to do the peer review. You don't. I don't mind. Really!

The six good article criteria

• Well written:

You know the drill. Suggestions below.

• Verifiable with no original research:

I have an issue with Japanese sources, which I explain further down.

• Broad in its coverage:

All good here.

• Neutral:

All good here.

• Stable:

All good here.

• Illustrated:

All good here.

Infobox

• The image should specify what is in the flyer in the alt = portion

Lead

• I'd suggest rephrasing the first two sentences if it is known as different things in Japan and NA. Maybe City Connection, known as Cruisin' in North America, is a 1985 platform arcade game developed and published by Jaleco. Alternatively, Cruisn' was developed and released by Kitkorp. Kitkorp getting the licencing right should also be explained, as it explains why two versions were developed.
• I would also summarize the legacy section a bit more here. What is the game known for?

Gameplay

• "By collecting oil cans, the player can launch these..." reads pretty choppy to me. Maybe "Clarice can collect and launch oil cans..."
• "a bonus points." Either "bonus points" or "a bonus point". I don't know the context.

Development and release

• I'm checking to make sure; is it ever actually specified by the developers that the car is a Honda City hatchback, or is it just assumed to be?
• If not, that makes "...which is believed to be the source for the game's title" purely trivial, unless Nintendo Life isn't the only source suggesting this.

Reception

• "IGN and Nintendo Life reviewers Lucas M. Thomas and Marcel van Duyn..." there should be a "respectively" after this to specify who is for what.
• Generally, there could be more summarizing in "The NES version, in particular, is viewed as a classic title on the system for its accurate portrayal of the arcade original" is a pretty bold claim, but according to references only one source says so. This source is Yuge, which takes up the second half of this paragraph, so these sentences can be merged.
• Additionally, it seems that second paragraph lists out what every reviewer thought. It kind of reads like "A said B", and should be rephrased to be something like "ABC said X, and AC said X" to merge similar criticism.

Legacy

"She appears as a playable character in the PlayStation game GUNbare! Game Tengoku (1998), misspelled as "Claris" and bearing little resemblance to her original design," Maybe add an although

• Link downloadable content (DLC)

References

• Some of the Japanese sources have translated titles, but most do not. They should be translated.

Other

• Pac-Man, Playstation, and iMode have duplicate links.
• "Cruisin' (video game)" should be a redirect.

Verdict

As usual, simple changes, reception is my only main issue. As such, I'll put this article On Hold for you to make changes. It shouldn't take long! Might I add why this article was demoted before? I'll make some changes to my review to see if the reasons why are now met. Le Panini ^Talk 13:11, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

@Namcokid47: The review is closing in to its seventh day. Do you still plan on finishing the review? Le Panini ^[🥪] 02:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I did not receive any kind of notification that you even reviewed this, or that it was about to close. That's so strange. I'll try to get this done in a day or so. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 02:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Namcokid47, You've been having this issue a lot lately, huh? Legobot sends a message to your talk page, so you should monitor you watchlist more often. If you were unaware, no worries, I'll stick around for pending changes. Le Panini ^[🥪] 03:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Due to nominator inactivity, I'm going to have to Fail this nomination. It's close, in my opinion. Le Panini ^[🥪] 04:35, 24 December 2020 (UTC)