Talk:City of New York (1885 ship)

DYK prep

@Broichmore: I'm going to tweak some of the citations, and perhaps organize them per WP:LTA (if you do not like LTA, we'll just go back to full inline again). We need at least 1 inline citation per paragraph. Right now we have 28 refs, none of them used more than once. You know them well, so think about were we could use WP:NAMEDREFS. Maybe some of the short paragraphs could be lumped together? Sam Sailor 17:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: Confession time, I'm going to have to learn WP:NAMEDREFS; never used it till now. I'll start studying it now. Isn't LTA long term abuse? Broichmore (talk) 18:35, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Broichmore: Ha! I meant WP:LDR, not LTA. My abuse is always of short-term character. Have a look at the article now. So, all the refs are neatly put down in the References section. Then, if a reference is good for using inline to verify other lines of text we stick in e.g. <ref name="Byrd 1930" /> If a page number is needed, we can use e.g. {{rp|12}}. Sam Sailor 18:50, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I am going to take a break. We could use the template {{in use|60 minutes}} so we don't get in each other's way with edit conflicts. Sam Sailor 18:57, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Broichmore, looks good! You have stuck in two new references "Kelly 2018" and "Gleisten 2002". We need to define them. Can you post a link to them, then I can format citations? Cheers, Sam Sailor 19:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: The references have valid links in them already. I don't know what I've missed here? Can you advise?Broichmore (talk) 12:51, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

(watching:) Even if not perfect yet: you need to nominate today, 7 days after the move to Main space. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Broichmore After starring and starring for minutes, I finally found it: Special:Diff/844846100/844971525 ... blind hen. Gerda Arendt can you do a DYK? I do it so seldom, and you are so experienced in that department. Sam Sailor 12:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I can do it, but please say what should be highlighted, the shorter the better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Please make 2 changes to the article: have a ref at the end of each paragraph, and if more than one for a fact, sort them by number. Also: it's not clear when she gets renamed. - Will nominate anyway. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thank you starting the DYK (I look in vain for my name, but my vanity is legendary ). I will sort the refs, make sure we have one for each paragraph, likely add a few more {{cite book}}s. Broichmore has clarified the name changes in the lead.
The icebound photo is an obvious choice for a DYK picture. I would propose an ALT1 with a slight change of words ("1929" is not wrong, but it is not entirely correct either):
 • ... that the barque City of New York (pictured icebound) was Richard E. Byrd's flagship on his first Antarctic expedition (1928–1930)?
@Broichmore: We have other good opportunities, what about
 • ... that Paul Siple (pictured left) was a 19-year old Boy Scout selected to join Richard E. Byrd on his first Antarctic expedition in 1928 onboard the ship City of New York? (Photo: Siple (left) with Richard E. Byrd) although that moves focus away from the ship? (I'm aware that the pic is ~20 years later, great shot, though.) What do you think? Other photos give us other possibilities, although not as spectacular as the 1930 icebound picture. Sam Sailor 17:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

The image of the ice-bound ship is not the City of New York, but the Bear and Corwin at Nome, Alaska in 1914. Wikimedia Commons - Eroica (talk) 15:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Boy scout photo? This page is CC BY-SA 3.0. Also we have two more good ice pics. I quite like the first of the two... - Broichmore (talk) 14:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I think we should go with something that focuses on the vessel. I posted an ALT1 with the first photo. Sam Sailor 06:41, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

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Swedish ownership

Broichmore - was the vessel reflagged to Sweden during the time she was owned by AB Spetsbergens Svenska? Mjroots (talk) 04:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Looks like she was, and also was a Canadian ship during WWI! Mjroots (talk) 05:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

@Mjroots: It escaped me, many thanks for sorting it out. Broichmore (talk) 09:24, 27 June 2018 (UTC)