Talk:Civil marriage

This article was created as a translation from an article in Hebrew in the Hebrew Wikipedia

My English isn't perfect.. it might still need more grammar improvements. Acidburn24m (talk) 06:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah! :) I don't mind, but I pretty much re-wrote it.24.85.234.200 (talk) 15:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

The 1863 claim

I cannot find evidence of which specific Act of Parliament made a change in requirements in 1863. The only marriage act of that year is for Ireland. Mangoe (talk) 11:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Not mandatory in the United States

The article should maybe further examine the situation in the United States and try to explain why it has never been mandatory in the US Republic, given that the USA has a strong tradition of secularism, notably in its education laws and in the 1947 Supreme Court decision on the wall of separation. The same line of questions might also be valuable for various other Western juridictions. ADM (talk) 00:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

History

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Sorry I do not know how to properly edit here but this statement is simply wrong. Marriage was a civil, state, function long before it was a religious matter. Throughout the Roman Empire marriage was a function of the state and a civil matter as well as a pagan ritual. It was not until the 9th century that the Church had anything to do with marriage when it became a custom of those just married in a civil ceremony to then show up on the church steps to ask the priest to come out and bless their civil union. Marriage was not made sacrament until the 11th century.

It seems to me that the IP knows what (s)he is talking about. Can someone find some sources to formally confirm that the information is correct, so that we can reinsert it? Surtsicna (talk) 14:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

The above writer is quite well-informed and more research is needed here.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 03:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I am unsure exactly what is being refered to by the IP as being wrong. This is a complicated matter and needs to be handled carefully: Marriage as religious matter does not equate exactly to marriage as a sacrament (though marriage as a sacrament certainly seems to me to be also a religious matter), therefore the date that marriage became a sacrament is not exactly relevant. The reformers Calvin and Luther, both disagreed with the understanding of Marriage as a sacrament, calling it an "ordinance of God" instead. Marriage can be both a religious and civil matter at the same time according to some (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-manne/marriage-civil-emandem-re_b_139702.html), even if the understanding of it as a sacrament is not held. How are we to understand marriage within Judaism (which pre-dates the Roman Empire), as civil or religious, or both? DMSBel (talk) 18:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The article states that the use of civil marriages before religious ceremonies in France was started after the French Revolution of 1792, however, while doing my husband's Canadien geneology we found that the civil contract was present in all marriages and preceded the religious ceremonies. This policy dated all the way back to the 1620s under Cardinal Richelieu. The crown appointed Royal Notaries whose references in public documents include more marriages and settlement of estates than property transfers. By stating that the idea of civil marriages constituting the primary legal form of marriage only after the Revolution ignores the importance of this policy being present under Church control of civil law.L.s. carbonell (talk) 18:25, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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Errors in map for Israel and Lebanon

Both states recognize foreign civil marriages (and have extremely popular marriage tourism to Cyprus for that very reason). Israel also recognizes gay marriage that way. -- 217.225.253.3 (talk) 15:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)