Talk:Claire Redfield/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 16:42, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

You've been waiting a while for a review, and there's a long list of video game articles, so here goes. I've played Resident Evil only very briefly, but I have seen the films...

• "a male protagonist of the first Resident Evil game, and is herself a female protagonist" Why specify the sex?
• "a zombie outbreak turned a vigilante." A zombie outbreak became a vigilante?
• The description section is currently difficult to read because of the way it jumps between Elza and Claire. Perhaps the details about Elza could be split off to a "development" section? That is certainly lacking- who designed the character? It's mentioned in the infobox, but nowhere else.
• "The changes that occurred were done to connect Resident Evil 2 to the original game. Level Up!: The Guide to Great Video Game Design called her a "perfect example" of the theme "opposites attracts", as she and Sherry Birkin "couldn't be more different".[10] One of C. Viper's costumes in the fighting game Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 was inspired by Claire's iconic look in Resident Evil 2.[11]" This doesn't belong where it is placed. The mention of Birkin is completely cryptic to someone who doesn't know the game, and the tiny influence on another character in an unrelated game doesn't really belong in the basic description section.
• Again, I'm not sure the discussion of film potrayals belongs where you have put it. She's a video game character first and foremost, surely?
• "In the Resident Evil 2 commercial she was played by Adrienne Frantz, while in the live-action films Claire is portrayed by Ali Larter (dubbed by Hiroe Oka in the Japanese version)." Unreferenced.
• ""Evil Claire Redfield" can be unlocked in the PlayStation 2 version of the game." The significance/meaning of this is not clear.
• "In Resident Evil: Extinction (2007)" Specify it's a live action film?
• " Claire, is ambushed by the" Lose the comma
• "calling Claire to be" This doesn't make sense
• "In 2011, Rich Knight of Complex pitted her against Jill Valentine in the feature "Battle of the Beauties", category "zombie killer".[49]" Not sure that's really "reception"
• Nothing on the reception of the character in the films?
• I'll go through the references properly another time, but, at a glance, you've got inconsistency with retrieval dates.

By no means a bad article- I don't know why you've had to wait so long for a review! A little bit of restructuring would not go amiss, but this is a solid article. J Milburn (talk) 16:42, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It was of course an "outbreak survivor" :D --Niemti (talk) 16:59, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

• RE1, RE2, RECV, RE0, RE5, had each two playable protagonists: one male and one female.
  • Yes, but I think the sex of the characters is clear from their names. J Milburn (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
• The live-action film character is basically a different Claire, only inspired by her.
  • All the more reason to not have the discussion of the film character in that section. If it belongs there, perhaps a subsection would help differentiate. J Milburn (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
• There is one in the picture.
  • I don't know what this is in response to- perhaps put these comments in among mine? J Milburn (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
• Retrieval dates are not needed at all. --Niemti (talk) 11:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
  • If you don't want them, don't use them. As long as the basic information needed is there, what I'm looking for is consistency. J Milburn (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but Chris was specifically the male one in RE1 (where there were 2 equal-protagonists, Chris and Jill) and she is the female one in the sequel (where there is Claire and Leon in the same roles). The film version is now in a separate paragraph and its reception was in the picture (its caption), but now I moved it around to the reception section. I didn't add the retrieval dates, but they're in the templates used by those who did; perfect formatting is not required. --Niemti (talk) 14:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

...yeah. --Niemti (talk) 14:39, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, you're going to have to bear with me. I'm absolutely swamped at the moment. If anyone else wants to take over the review, I'm not going to stop them. J Milburn (talk) 18:39, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, some more comments-

• "The video game series version of Claire is featured in the 1998-1999 manhua Shēnghuà Wēijī 2 ("Biological Crisis 2");[29] a romantic comedy retelling of the story of Resident Evil 2, centered on Claire, Leon and Ada, was released by Ching Win Publishing Co., Ltd. in the two-issue Taiwanese comic Èlíng Gǔbǎo II in 1999.[30]" Very difficult to follow
• "PSU.com also chose Claire as one of the five characters they for to appear in Resident Evil 6's Mercenaries mode in her outfit from Resident Evil 2 and commented that she "is long overdue a canonical appearance in the series."" This needs rephrasing
• I know that it's not absolutely required for the GA criteria, but why the hostility towards cleaning up the references? It's actually very difficult to judge their reliability in places, and the GA criteria do require consistency with the MoS. BeyondHollywood? Bioflames? ActiveAnime? ShockTillYouDrop.com? 3dsbuzz? Rely on Horror? Some nice formatting and wikilinks where appropriate would really help here. Also, I'm not sure about the YouTube link- is that not a copyright violation?

The article's looking fairly strong, but the references are a bit of a mess right now. With a bit of cleanup of the references, this will make a strong good article. J Milburn (talk) 18:09, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Bioflames is self-published and, frankly speaking, pile of shit (there's no love between us personally). BeyondHollywood was just for a trailer, I guess - and which is even offline now (due to copyrights violations no less). ActiveAnime, yeah. I don't see 3dsbuzz. But ShockTillYouDrop is a legit source (a horror part of Crave Online) and Rely on Horror is actually only citing Capcom there (this). Which YouTube link? --Niemti (talk) 23:44, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Bioflames can be easily replaced with just that, for example. --Niemti (talk) 23:53, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah, this YT. It's tricky: you'll find tons of sources about who played Claire in this commercial, but hardly anything reliable - only this (and the commercial itself had no credits, obviously). And I don't even know where it originally came from. Anyway, if it violeted copyrights, it would be taken down (just like Regeneration trailer) and it's up since 2010. But you can remove it after you verified the info with the clip. --Niemti (talk) 00:11, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, I removed it. --Niemti (talk) 00:13, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, I still think that the reference formatting is a bit of a mess, but the article's not bad, and the sources which are used seem to be appropriate. As such, I'm going to promote at this time. J Milburn (talk) 23:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Rather hilariously, I just noticed it was nominated for deletion in 2010 :) If, you're interested, other GA-ready RE chars are Ada Wong and Leon S. Kennedy. --Niemti (talk) 00:06, 3 January 2013 (UTC)