Talk:Clan Nesbitt

Naisbitt/Nesbitt distribution in England/Scotland

According to the 1891 census for Scotland and England:

Scotland:

• Nesbitt appears 34 times, 23 in Lanarkshire.
• Nesbit appears 132 times, 45 in Lanarkshire.
• Naisbitt/Naisbit does not appear.

England:

• Nesbitt appears 943 times, 311 in Durham.
• Nesbit appears 638 times, 343 in Northumberland.
• Naisbitt appears 222 times, 198 in Durham.
• Naisbit appears 48 times, 40 in Durham.

The results are from the census records at Ancestry.com

Garynaisbitt (talk) 06:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't change the fact that this article is about Clan Nesbitt, a recognised Scottish clan. The definition of the name on Ancestry isn't as clear as it could be [1]. It seems to say that the name is derived from several different places. Which would mean that there are many different origins for the name, so not all of the name would share in the heritage of this clan. Or does the definition mean it is unknown which place called 'Nesbit', that the surname is derived from?--Celtus (talk) 08:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The artcile declares that the name descends from Gospatrick of Northumbria, which ofcourse is neither England or Scotland, still the vast majority fell south of the border and from the census we can see that the vast majority of name carriers also fell south of the border. Even if the name is recognised as a Scottish Clan, it doesn't mean it is a Scottish Clan, that is what i am disputing. Garynaisbitt (talk) 09:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

OK. I think i know what you mean. The thing is this article isn't suppose to be a history of the name. It is just about the Scottish clan. (BTW the the article says the clan claims descent from a Gospatrick, that doesn't mean the name has anything to do with him. The article states the name is derived from a place name). What i think you want, is that the article point out that the clan isn't the end-and-all of the surname. Right? You could start a surname article on the name yourself, with a definition and statistics or something like that, possibly at Nesbitt or Nesbitt (surname). There are many surname articles on wikipedia, (example: Johnson) (check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy).--Celtus (talk) 09:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gary - this article falls within the scope of about 150 articles covering named Scottish clans. As the Scottish clan article makes clear, in Scotland clans are legally recognised by the Lord Lyon, so that defines the scope of the article - it is about a recognised clan, and naturally includes information about the surname (as one of a number of topics). The fact that the surname is common in other parts of the world doesn't change this.

You are absolutely right that the name is also of ancient origin in England. I think this could best be covered by adding a note in the Clan Nesbitt article, and not by starting a separate surname article. The reason is that Wikipedia policy is not to carry original research (e.g. based on surname statistics), but instead to present established, published information [[2]]. There is a huge amount published on the Nesbitt clan in Scotland, almost nothing on origins/history of the Nesbitt surname in England or elswhere. A surname article could therefore be a bit thin (though could be a useful place to put statistics). I have checked out a surname directory for England and will add what it says to the article.Mark Nesbitt (talk) 18:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

The problem with published sources for the name in 'England' is like many things North-east England, there is little literature at all to go on, it's apparant that they weren't really considered English by those from the south and indeed they were attacked enough times by the Scots to safely say they weren't considered Scottish. It's a cache 22 really, it just seems like once again the Scots have snatched all that surrounds them, planting flags in whatever they can. Garynaisbitt (talk) 07:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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UnSourced claim

On 20 May 2019‎ user 75.136.192.76 made the claim in the Notes section that "The name “Nesbit” is not related in any way to those with the spelling of Nesbitt, Nesbett, Nisbet..."

Are such unsourced claims from unregistered users permitted? Heraldic (talk) 10:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)