Talk:Clara Immerwahr/Archive 1

Archive 1

Fourth Paragraph

Part of the 4th para reads: "....in the gas attack in military history..." is this intended to mean first gas attack in military hostory? Engr105th 00:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. okedem 19:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Bried?

What does this mean? "The life I got from it was very bried" – dunno what it could be. Julia Rossi (talk) 07:16, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd bet the contributor meant "brief"...The D and F letters are adjacent on a keyboard...Engr105th (talk) 06:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

exactly, the German original is: "Der Aufschwung, den ich davon gehabt, ist aber sehr kurz gewesen" - "kurz" means brief, "Aufschwung" was translated with life, it means some kind of "uprise" (if my english is good enough). I have changed it. Plehn (talk) 16:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks !! Engr105th (talk) 04:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Review comments

Consideration should be given to merging with Fritz Haber, as independent notability is unclear and much of the article covers his contributions. Espresso Addict 01:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I see your point about "independent notability" which is ineed pretty weak in her case (just being honest). However, she was the first female PhD out of Univ of Breslau, did contribute to her famous husband's work, and as such might be considered something of a figure in the history of women's rights and suffragism...I dunno, just food for though. Engr105th 00:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree.The point is historically women were often eclipsed, as she was by her married relationship, so relatively, she is still notable. Could you say that? I feel it's worth raising her profile and casting light on the situation of a woman with her education even for sociological reasons. Would Haber be as accessible without her work? Julia Rossi (talk) 07:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, theres no doubt she was a qualified chemist, even if on no other basis than her graduation from a notable European university. She must have been pretty good in her field of study to achieve that back then (as we discuss above), even without her own discoveries...I'm not certain what you mean by would Fritz H. be as accessible without her work, but I've seen nothing to indicate he was anything less than a first-rate scientist himself. I mean, nothing to indicate the sort of "controversy" in the Haber's work that has recently been suggested (and largely disproved) of Albert Einstein and Mileva Maric: that Mileva was the genius while Albert got the credit. Revisionist history nonsense....Then there is the possiblity that without marriage to Fritz, Clara would never have had the opportunity to do what work she did do....Anyway, imho they both deserve their own space in Wikipedia. Engr105th (talk) 21:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Jewish Woman not German

http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/immerwahr-clara — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.246.215.97 (talk) 10:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Both. Contrary to what you might think that has only been a contradiction from 1935 to 1945. There was even a Central Association of German Citizens of Jewish Faith, Central Verein, CV - founded by German Jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralverein_deutscher_Staatsb%C3%BCrger_j%C3%BCdischen_Glaubens Thank you for the link to the article - it's very interesting! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krokodilgemüse (talk • contribs) 20:23, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

First woman to receive PhD in Germany, or not?

I removed the claim that she was the first woman to receive a Ph.D. in Germany. It would be neat if this is true but it needs a citation.

Okay, I found the following reference that states she was the first woman to receive a Ph.D. at the University of Breslau:

http://www.fhi-berlin.mpg.de/mp/friedrich/PDFs/Friedrich_BR_Charles.pdf

It is a book review by Friedrich Bretislav, Fritz-Haber-Institut der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft Berlin, Germany, of the following book:

Mastermind: The rise and fall of Fritz Haber, the Nobel laureate who 
launched the age of chemical warfare.  By Daniel Charles. HarperCollins, 
New York, 2005. 313 pp., hardcover $24.95. –ISBN 0-06- 056272-2

so it should be easy to get a print citation.

Here is a similar overlapping essay, but with a stronger claim that almost does it: "Trained as a physical chemist (PhD in 1900, presumably the first awarded to a woman), Clara grew increasingly frustrated with her designated role of a housewife."

Bretislav Friedrich, 
"Fritz Haber (1868-1934)"
Published in part in Angewandte Chemie (International Edition) 44, 
3957 (2005) and 45, 4053 (2006).
Fritz-Haber-Institut der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft Faradayweg 4-6, 
D-14195 Berlin, Germany bretislav.friedrich@fhi-berlin.mpg.de
https://www.fhi-berlin.mpg.de/history/Friedrich_HaberArticle.pdf

Add this back in if you like!

89.217.26.56 (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Useful quote

From the essay cited above (Bretislav Friedrich, "Fritz Haber (1868-1934)" , published in part in Angewandte Chemie (International Edition) 44, 3957 (2005) and 45, 4053 (2006)) :

When she discovered her husband’s involvement in chemical warfare – which she regarded as “an abomination of science and a sign of barbarism” – her marriage took the appearance of a pointless sacrifice.

Where is he quoting from? Daniel Charles?

There is a treasure trove of sources at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Immerwahr, and there is a conference website about gas warfare at http://www.fhi-berlin.mpg.de. (I can't get the full html at the moment because of a temporary problem with the website.) In addition, there is a movie about her, see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3266934.

89.217.26.56 (talk) 15:26, 12 April 2015 (UTC)