Talk:Clare of Assisi

Birth year

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 – Source cited, and unchallenged after five years.

An anon has changed Clare's stated birth year from 1193 to 1194. In a Google search I find some support for each date. Unwilling to spend the time to track down the reason for the discrepancy and resolve it, I've left the date as 1194 on the authority of the Catholic Encyclopedia, and accordingly cited that source. JamesMLane 22:05, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

1153-1194=57. She lived 57 years NOT 59. Go back to elementary school —72.94.55.159 (talk · contribs), 01:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Before insulting the arithmetic in an encyclopedia, people really ought to check their own numbers carefully. It's 1253, not 1153, and 1253-1194=59, not 57. These are all correct in the current article. —Patrug (talk) 05:34, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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 – Article no longer makes any such claim about an incorruptible body.

Is it appropriate to state that her body is still preserved and in public view in a church (in Assisi?) Ancheta Wis 08:24, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Catholic Encyclopedia (listed under External Links) says that it is her skeleton that remains on display and not her incorrupt body. — 192.88.165.35 (talk · contribs), 23:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

If there's a reliable source for it, then of course it's "appropriate" to mention salient facts, and cite them to the sources that verify the information. Why would it not be appropriate? Catholicism is hardly squeamish, and makes frequent use of real human body parts as holy relics (cf. Oliver Plunkett's head). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ Contribs. 23:02, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Spelling

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 – Alt. spelling appears in lead, but is no longer used randomly in the article.

Above the picture, Clare is spelled "Claire." Text beneath the picture also refers to Basilica of St. Claire.

Theater video link

Hello,

Recently this external link:

• Light in a Dark Age, The Story of Francesco and Chiara Theater Performance by Living Wisdom School

was removed.

I believe this link meets all the wiki guidelines and is useful.

It is a link to a play about the life of Saint Francis and Saint Clare of Assisi. Many people can learn more about a subject by watching videos of the material than through just reading. Video can also communicate the information with a deeper feeling of inspiration.

Many people will view a video on a subject, but will not read at length about a subject. So a video helps spread communication in ways that written words cannot.

When this play was viewed live, many parents, who are not Catholic, were deeply moved by it. They remarked that they never knew about these (or any) Catholic Saints and they gained an appreciation they previously did not have. The school Living Wisdom School is non-sectarian and is thus able to reach many parents of different faiths, who would not normally learn about faiths outside their own.

Sorry for this long explanation. If the deleting editor is from the Catholic faith, I do believe having this video linked will help viewers learn about and more importantly appreciate these great Saints.

I'll re-post the link again, but if deleted again I'll let it go.

Thank you, EricBMunro (talk) 19:29, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The link falls under WP:ELNO and WP:YT. Also I would like to ask if you have the permission of all the parents of the kids in the play to post this and the permission of the copyright holders of the play. My bet is you don't have either, especially the copyright holders. As it says in WP:YT, most vid sites don't meet requirements for posting in external links.Marauder40 (talk) 19:36, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Rule of Life

i added a link to the wiki article, "Solemn vow," to the text here, "Rule of life." as someone not of this religion, when i read that in the intro, i kept waiting to read this "rule" later in the article. i thought it was something "simple" (meaning, short, i guess), like, "Go and sin no more," or "Don't worry, be happy." not meaning to be flippant, but based on "rule" i thought it was some sort of "essential message" like that. when i got to the end of the article without reading what it was, i was annoyed, and curious. i tried a web search, and everything that came up showed it wasn't some "simple message," but, rather, a rather long, detailed list of "rules of conduct."

then i checked to see if there was a "Rule of Life" wiki article (it hadn't come up in the general search, as i'd hoped). of course, there isn't, but what came up was about the different orders. so i figured each order likely had their own "detailed list of rules" and i couldn't link to any of those pages because they would be different. but from one of them, i hit the "monasticism" article, then the "nun" article, then the "cloistered" article, then the "enclosed religious orders" article. that one seemed to be closest to giving another curious person the idea that a "Rule of life" involves a whole bunch of things. but then i found the "Solemn vow" article, and thought that was, perhaps, even better.

so i added it to this article, but thought i ought to make a more obvious note of it here on the Talk page, as i'm not trying to disrespect a religion or its beliefs, and maybe i'm very wrong on the understanding of "Rule of life" that i got. please, if there's a better link, could someone add it, OR, don't link to anything but maybe put a short explanation/definition of it here. thank you.Colbey84 (talk) 09:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Very helpful suggestion, thanks. The article now has a reference link to a Franciscan Friars webpage that gives an English translation of the complete "Rule of Life" for the conduct of Clare's order. —Patrug (talk) 05:34, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

And now the sourcing is improved to a Franciscan book. —24.191.101.221 (talk) 08:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Bad illustration : Clare of Assisi ? Not at all

The picture in the infobox was usualy said as showing Clare of Assisi. But more and more franciscan authors, like Thaddée Matura, contest this affirmation putting forward several arguments:

Clare of Assisi

• The painting is depicting a woman having a civil veil, and an accessory in her hand that is not a lily, symbol of purity (martyr of virginity) like her neighbor on the painting
• Clare is usually represented, even by Simone Martini himself in the same Saint Francis Basilica, with a black monastic veil and a white under-veil and white guimpe, and not with a white civil veil, and surely not without the guimpe, as in this painting, often with a lily.
• The alo contains seven suns, that has nothing to do with Claire, but rather with Jacoba of Settesoli ( seven suns = settesoli ).

So now it is clear that the picture is of Jacopa of Settesoli, even if she has never been canonized. She spent the rest of her live near the brothers, and is burried in the same Basilica of Assisi.

So it should be better to put an other picture in the infobox.

FrViPofm (talk) 19:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

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