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{{Original research|date=March 2008}}

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Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

This article has a lot of Original research and external links I've attempted to clean it up and moved all external links to the external links section. I suggest an entire rewrite or possibly {{afd}} ♫Slysplace | talk 19:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Hmmmm.... multiple issues. Bit of a mess. But I think there's some recoverable content here. Worth saving.

Modern classical guitar is probably even worse. We really need to revitalise the inactive Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Instruments and Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical guitar. Wikipedia:WikiProject Guitarists is fairly active in maintaining electric guitar articles, and has 52 reasonably active members... hmmm... Andrewa (talk) 05:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

The article has been rewritten a while back with numerous citations. Additional relevant external links have been moved to the bottom of this Discussion (talk) page, so as not to clutter then main article. Hattermadder (talk) 13:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

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Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hi there!

The article has now been expanded considerably, with information that should be of interest to good luthiers. Included are details and links on such topics as acoustics (though the importance of practically experimenting, and learning to judge sound in an unbiased way, and also pairing acoustics and rational judgement with an "intuitive approach with focus on SOUND" - is not to be underestimated!), general overview of luthier's skills, as well as topics that the really aspiring luthiers (who wish to progress beyond those, who are only guitar-furniture makers!) should find interesting (sound aesthetic, historical perspective, link between styles of instruments and repertoire, acoustics, voicing of the instrument, etc.) Hattermadder (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

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Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Here's the linkfarm.

Technical drawings (Plans) of guitars, historic guitars etc.

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Photos and images of guitars and historic guitars

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Instruments et oeuvres d'art - search-phrase: Mot-clé(s) : guitare
Facteurs d'instruments - search-phrase: Instrument fabriqué : guitare
Photothèque - search-phrase: Instrument de musique, ville ou pays : guitare
Online catalog - Search for guitarra

Iconography

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Paintings

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Manuals, Treatises and Books

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Acoustics

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Luthier Manuals

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Varnish for musical instruments

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Historical Instrument Makers

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Books on guitars

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  • Cahier d'atelier : la construction d'une guitare classique by Robert Bouchet
  • The century that shaped the guitar by James Westbrook (see also)
  • Guitars through the ages by James Westbrook (see also)
  • La Chitarra di Liuteria - Masterpieces of Guitar Making by Stefano Grondona and Luca Waldner (preview)
  • Gitarren von Richard Jacob "Weißgerber"
  • The Guitar; by Sinier de Ridder; published by Edizioni Il Salabue; ISBN 88-87618-09-7
  • La Chitarra, Quattro secoli di Capolavori (The Guitar: Four centuries of Masterpieces) by Giovanni Accornero, Ivan Epicoco, Eraldo Guerci; published by Edizioni Il Salabue
  • Rosa sonora - Esposizione di chitarre XVII - XX secolo by Giovanni Accornero; published by Edizioni Il Salabue
  • (in Italian) La Chitarra by Enrico Allorto, Ruggero Chiesa, Mario Dell'Ara, Angelo Gilardino
  • (in German)Akustik der Gitarre in Einzeldarstellungen Jürgen Meyer

Articles

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Interviews

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Luthier Videos

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Associations

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Sound-documents of historical guitars

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POV and Questionble Assertions

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Latest comment: 9 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

There seems to be a great deal of personal opinion injected into this article, and the conclusions draw in some of these sections are not well-supported by evidence or citation. I note that someone else flagged many of these sections as far back as 2011.

For example, some information on the acoustical research done on violins may be of interest as a parallel to that done with guitars, but it is carried on in unnecessary detail, and connections drawn that aren't supported. The situations with the two instruments are not closely equivalent. Stradivari was a master instrument maker, and he did produce a number of instruments other than violins and cellos. But we don't have a great deal of information to indicate that guitarists of that day necessarily considered Stradivari's guitars to be at the same pinacle of perfection as violinists considered his violins.

Violininsts and guitarists, even in Stradivari's day, were pursuing different aeshetics. The violin was then -- and is now -- a concert instrument, intended primarily for use in orchestral settings. Sometimes as a soloist, to be sure, but always ready to blend back into that ensemble. The guitar, on the other hand, was then -- and is now -- primarily a solo instrument, usually played either alone or in small ensembles in a salon setting, and also a folk instrument. It lives in an a different acoustical Zeitgeist from the violin, and always has.

Excepting Stradivari's instruments (the few surviving specimens of which, BTW, have been very thoroughly studied), we have literally thousands of old guitars, from all periods, residing in museums and private collections. A great deal of study has been devoted to these instruments, much of it during the same years that violin makers were disecting their Strads and Guanaris. Books, scholarly articles in luthiery journals, and dissertations attest to this research. The fact is that while luthiers may spend some time to experimentation, most of their efforts are going to be devoted whatever aesthetic is currently in vogue among performers, which in turn is largely dictated by what audiences are willing to pay to hear. This has ever been true for both violin and guitar.

If there are actually people who believe " that guitar making today is still lagging far behind professional violin-making ", my guess is that the people who believe that are probably violin luthiers. I know a goodly number of guitar luthiers, and have yet to hear any of them express this sentiment.

If you were to ask guitar luthiers about the state of violin making today, I suspect many would express incredulity that violin makers apparently have yet to discover geared tuners, prefering instead to continue to use the laboriously-fitted, ever-slipping, 400-year old friction peg design. ;)

I suggest a vigorous laundering of this article to remove POV sections, and/or adding more specific supporting citations from reputable sources. 67.206.183.63 (talk) 11:10, 5 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Torres did not use fan bracing??

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Latest comment: 6 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

There is something wrong with this sentence:

"Francisco Sanguino was one of the first to experiment with fan-bracing, then came Páges and Panormo—but Torres did not use it, still had more tonal energy spread over overtones, compared to the Torres guitars, which focus tonal energy more in the fundamental (desirable in Spanish music)."

I'm no expert in this topic, and know little of Sanguino, Páges, and Panormo, and so I'm not qualified to fix this. But Torres was well known for his fan bracing. Was "ladder-bracing" meant here instead of "fan-bracing"? Or did two sentences accidentally be merged in a incorrect way? --Ericjs (talk) 17:37, 8 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

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