Talk:Claude Goudimel

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He wasn't French.

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Born at the beginning of the 16th century, in Besançon or Saint-Hippolyte, Doubs (at least his family was from Saint-Hypolitte). In the 16th Besançon was the Free Imperial City of Besançon in the Holy Roman Empire and Saint-Hypolitte was (and is still) in the County of Burgundy, now known as Franche-Comté, also in the HRE. He called himself "natif de Besançon", which doesn't let a lot of doubts about his birth in Besançon and his loyalty to the free imperial city of Besançon.

If sources talk about "French" it's because they don't even know this or want to simplify. Trust me, a few months ago the french page of Free Imperial City of Besançon didn't even exist. A lot of French people don't understand what is HRE and the history of Besançon / County of Burgundy. It's worst (sorry) with english speakers. In a lot of sources (in French, if you can understand it, i can share them to you), there is no more precision than "Born in Besançon", not "French", not "France".

So it's conventional to call him French when he wasn't ? Show me where it's written please ? Then... Claudius is also French, Caesar is Italian, Clovis is Belgian, Aztec are Mexicans... For example, look how the Yougoslavian personalities are referenced ? I this case, don't take a side and choose neutrality : Born in Besançon, he was a composer, music editor, publisher and music theorist of the High Renaissance.

You have everything to change your mind (in the links) and you can check pages in French for a lot more details. I'm historian, born in Besançon and working for the University of Franche-Comté. I've all the elements to assure you that i'm not telling some crap. I'm 100% sure, you can't tell me I'm wrong ? No ?

It's just common sense, please. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but i think people are not dumb and can click on some links to understand. It's not like we're using a paper book here... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1Loupdesbois (talk • contribs) 09:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

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