Talk:Clause IV

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Last Tuesday, (27th Jan) I copied the new Clause 4 from the Labour Party's website. It is here below.

http://www.labour.org.uk/aboutlabour/

I know the old version of Clause IV by heart. It used to be printed on all Labour Party Membership Cards.

Since I copied the new Clause 4, I have asked myself, "Is the original in copyright?" You may want to ask the Labour Party.

The home page of the Labour Party's website is accessible here below.

http://www.labour.org.uk/

To e-mail the Labour Party click on the icon, "CONTACT US". It is at the bottom of the page. Alternatively you can e-mail the Labour Party directly at the adress below.

info@new.labour.org.uk

I'm sure the Labour Party would no want the old version of Clause IV to stand on its own without clear information about how it has been modified.

Barbara Shack

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"Blair generally prefers to describe himself as a social democrat". -- Is there any substantiation for this claim? Can anyone cite an instance where Blair has publicly defined himself as a social democrat? Also, how relevant is it? Certainly we wouldn't want to imply that his preference (if that is what it is) is shared by other members of the party. -86.142.110.97 20:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, the replacement text

"The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect."

would hardly seem to describe Blair's position, would it? BTLizard (talk) 15:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Claws 4

"Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock named his cat 'Claws 4'."

This is bloody hilariouse if it's true xD...but I've googled it and can't find any reference to it at all other than sites refering to this page. Can anyone cite this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jh39 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

John Lewis Partnership

John Lewis is a worker cooperative, which are already included in the previous sentence. Is there any reason to list John Lewis seperately? Benjamin M. A'Lee (talk) 11:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

I have removed the trivia section, it is a 2 item list of of miscellaneous information. "Sidney Webb, who first drafted Clause IV, lived on the site of Millbank Tower, which coincidentally was to be New Labour's campaign headquarters for their victorious 1997 general election campaign, after re-writing Clause IV. Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock named his cat 'Claws 4'."Alastairthegreat (talk) 21:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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