Talk:Clientelism

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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2019 and 21 November 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Smccarthy1.

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"Positive" Tone?

Our group is planning on editing this article page. We plan on adding some tabs that provide more extensive examples of the topic at hand. We also plan to extend and elaborate in more length to the summary. Also, adding different types of clientelism, add a tab for patronage, and add a section for contingent political commitment. This page talks about clientelism in a quite positive tone, while the common sense knows it's just an obvious form of corruption and something to be denounced. This is dangerous and this page would benefit from an expansion/rewrite. Even the Spanish Wikipedia https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clientelismo_pol%C3%ADtico writes about the topic much better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anon J (talk • contribs) 19:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I disagree with the above view, and I'm an unbiased party. 69.171.101.3 (talk) 03:29, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

agree, the RS i found describe it as criminal. i will attempt to introduce new sources. Darkstar1st (talk) 09:04, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

C'mon. The article is "positive" (i.e. non-normative). Clientelism is a scientific approach toward understanding exchanges that are usually between those who have political access and those who do not. Do not cloud this with moral denunciations; that's not being scientific. Please keep the normative in moral philosophic discussions. (People shouldn't have to clarify that this is a scientific approach; the only thing 'positive' is the reader incorrectly assuming that "not taking a moral stand on issue X" = "supporting issue X." Does the article really need to explain to the reader not to make such illogical assumptions?)Thewindblows1 (talk) 16:20, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

a sign of malfunctioning democracy

• a political “pathology,” blocking the emergence of genuine democracy
• a sign of malfunctioning democracy
• contradicts the rule of law and the principle of bureaucratic impartiality.

Without objection i will attempt to add this between the more positive material such as:

• take there, give here

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How do you know that clientelism systematically acts as a degenerative force on democracy? Those three definitions assume this without providing evidence. Clientelism can take many forms--e.g. political advocacy groups appeal to a patron in order to implement certain laws like same-sex marriage or laws against same-sex marriage. One's normative beliefs will assign normative values to either outcome. That's moral philosophy; not science. Again, it's important not to distort 'clientelism' with such normative assumptions/connotations.Thewindblows1 (talk) 16:20, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Ancient Israel?

Out of my league, but here's a blog post by Gabriel Rossman commenting on scholarly work re clientelism in ancient Israel. Bill Harshaw (talk) 19:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Clientelism vs Lobbyism?

Could someone add an explanation about how Lobbyism and Clientelism differ? Is it merely the overtness or are there other key differences? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.149.132.141 (talk) 19:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Lobbyism is one of many tactics of clientelism. Lobbyism specifically refers to the case where a lobbyist communicates with a politician/chief bureaucrat on behalf of the lobbyist's employer/organization. (I admit the distinction is blurry. Furthermore, I don't see much of a difference between clientelism and rent-seeking).Thewindblows1 (talk) 16:20, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Student content

I wanted to post a link to the student's work in case anyone wanted to merge or use any of this content in the live article: User:Shannon.chensee/sandbox Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:21, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Expanding the article

Hi, I want to add more information on the Mechanics part, because I want to write more around the knowledge when multiple parties in one country are using clientelism that head-to-head competition induces and let the parties bid for more expensive voters. Also I want to write more examples of clientelism for example about what happened in Brazil. Also I want to add something about consequences. I want to add more about the effect on the welfare of a state. TheMrGiddeon (talk) 07:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Support the 2020 proposal. Client politics is an unreferenced article which heavily overlaps in content with this one. Best discussed in one places, and differences in meaning can be discussed here. Klbrain (talk) 11:32, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 13:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)