Talk:Clinton Avenue Historic District (Albany, New York)

Wrong Melville for 3 Clinton Square

The house at 3 Clinton Square was owned and lived in by Gansevoort Melville. Herman stayed there often but from everything I can find, never actually lived there as resident, and which during the time period stated he was living in Troy. The best source I have for this is Dan Rittner's Albany (page 77), which I, myself, have bashed as an author when "reviewing" Albany Revisted on the NYCD wikiproject talk page, but he is correct about who lived and owned the house. I know the NRHP documents say Herman lived there, but as I have been correcting in other parts of this article and other NRHP article, those documents are not well-researched in my personal opinion and should backed up by other sources and info from them scrapped when conflicted by other sources, opinions on conflict between sources and the NRHP docs?Camelbinky (talk) 05:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

If you've got better sourcing on this, go ahead. I like your improvements to this article. It's easier, especially in these older applications, to find local lore repeated as fact. Daniel Case (talk) 06:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I wish the verifiable and citation requirements for Wikipedia had been applied to some of these applications, it seems Wikipedia's standards are much stricter than whatever standards they use. I am afraid some of the info on the original town of Watervliet and Colonie might be too long and overly detailed, feel free to par it down and condense it, a lot of the info can be found by people going to those articles instead of having it in this article. I've found several photos of the buildings that the Palace Theatre replaced but havent found one that I'm positive of being free of copyright issues, same with some older photos of Clinton Ave and Clinton Square and of the buildings that the Leo O'Brian Federal Building replaced and the buildings that the on-off ramps of I-787 replaced if that area is included in the district or would be beneficial to the article. Is a map of the exact boundaries available or can one be made? I'm a bit confused as to what is exactly in the boundaries and if there is a time-period cut-off as the article states something to the effect that the Palace Theatre was the last building constructed. Is the new family court building that is across the street and slightly west of the Palace included even though it is a new building, if so can that be mentioned as part of the renewal efforts of that section of Albany...

The more recent the application, the more detailed and rigorous the sourcing and writing is (This one's app is better than the one for downtown, believe me). It also depends on the author ... local preservation people aren't used to writing this stuff and make these claims more often than the current or former state employees who write most of them, like Gobrecht, Krattinger or Larson (and you should see some of the early ones from Scranton, PA, that I've written articles on if you want to see some stuff that really doesn't cut it by today's standards).

There's a map near the back pages of the application, although you'll have to blow it up as it's difficult to read. Eventually we ought to get the map shop to do one similar to the new Central Troy Historic District map. The federal building area is not in the district, but the square is. Those pics, if they're of rowhouses, might actually be more useful in Buildings at 744–750 Broadway.

There's a "period of significance" for any NRHP listing, usually the dates when historically significant or important construction took place. The Palace isn't the most recent construction in the district, of course, but it's the last contributing property built. I suppose the family court building can be mentioned as newer construction within the district although it's certainly non-contributing. Daniel Case (talk) 01:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Question

I'm working on Streets of Albany, New York and wondering if anyone has more information to expand on the blurb from the history section in this article that states that after the Revolution Stephen van Rensselaer II had the area north of Clinton Avenue laid out in a grid street section. It would be beneficial to know exactly which streets were laid out by him and a source to that effect so I can add that to the streets article. Plus if someone would like to take the time to summarize this article to the streets article that would be great.Camelbinky (talk) 00:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

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