Talk:Club Atletic Oradea

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Rostadia2012,

during your lates edits you again removed some parts for which no consensus was achieved, better discuss here in case, thank you.(KIENGIR (talk) 21:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC))

Hi! Yes. Sure, we can discuss. What bothers you? Edits Where do you see big problems? I can explain why. And this edit, because the stadium was renovated three times after a state of degradation. Rostadia2012 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

You say "During the interwar period CAO supplied eighteen Romanian internationals, however the majority were still ethnic Hungarians, Jews and Germans." How do you know how many were Jews and Germans for instance compared to the Romanians? I propose "During the interwar period CAO supplied eighteen Romanian internationals, many of them being ethnic Hungarians, Jews and Germans." Plus you make Francisc Spielmann Hungarian. Spielmann was ethnic German and played first for Romania, only after for Hungary. Plus you are trying to hide the fact Hungary had an empire together with Austria. Did the Romanians, Serbs, Slovaks, Ukrainians and Croats rule the Hungarians or the Hungarians over them? I propose in both propositions Kingdom of Hungary, Austro-Hungarian Empire, because otherwise you are not telling the whole truth. Rostadia2012 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I also disagree with "The club and the city were still dominated by Hungarians.". Either you remove the "city dominated by Hungarians", leaving just the club, either I can also say "in a Transylvania dominated by Romanians". It's a polemic. I am waiting a friendly Wikipedia by 2020. Rostadia2012 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

The truth is Kingdom of Hungary, Austro-Hungarian Empire would be also a lie. Oradea and Transylvania at that hour did not belong to Hungary but to the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Not the same thing. Hungary had authority but it was still an empire. We should say "part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire with the authority of the Hungarian crown" or something like that. Or controlled etc. Many centuries back, it would have been technically good. These are facts, Hungary associated with the Habsburgs. Rostadia2012 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

If you are dying so much for history on a Romanian football team page, then get your facts straight! Plus I feel like I am Hungarised, even the Germans like Spielmann would think that way. I mean, this is not the 2020 friendly Wikipedia. The Romanians will not love the new team of Oradea but will hate it. It is still too much focused on the Hungarian history of the club. It's like an obsession of some. It's not a dual cultural article at all. Rostadia2012 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

About those edits we already discussed in my talk page mostly, the rest relevant ones I indicated in the edit log.

- So you did not understand what I draw the attention. 18 Romanian internationals next to Hungarians, Germans and Jews are not equivalent with 18 Romanian internationals which include Hungarians, Germans and Jews

- I did not made Spielmann Hungarian, just because how he is known in Hungary was mentioned, and this irrelevant from which team he played first, what is relevant he played for both national teams, so both names are relevant.

- I did not want to hide anything and you stop with your continous groundless accusations and misleading speculations. In fact, none of the subjects had an Empire, Austria and Hungary had monarchic ties to each other, while the countries remained separate, if you wished to trim the article from superfluous history, no need for repetition, we anyway trim and don't use the two another places necessarily as well, being redundant (has nothing to with the whole truth, but obvious logic, in fact the city was only part of Hungary, had no relation with Austria, etc.). Your question is not really accurate, since Romanians next to their own country lived not just in Hungary, but as well other states, Serbs ibidem, Ukrainians did not live in the Kingdom of Hungary, Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia was a separate kingdom, however part of the Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen.

-Did you understand that the city is not part of the historical Transylvania, but Partium, or Crișana?

-I explained above the situation of Austria-Hungary, which you described again entirely false. Oradea and Transylvania did belong to Hungary, was integral part of it, while Austria had no affiliation with that.

-Sorry, now you seem pushing history, the only problem is you are not really aware of the facts. Moreover, you should not reflect or generalize your own - anyway misplaced - feelings, beliefs and assumptions that other people does not share. Friendly wikipedia you would associate withthe elimination of some Hungarian content? Are you serious, just because you assume Romanians would not like it? Sorry, WP is definetly not the place of personal feelings, "dual culturalism" does not mean the elimination of Hungarian content, and the Hungarian past is not an obsession, but a historical fact, which has to be dealt anyway a long time in history regarding many aspect in connection with today's Romania. We don't write articles to conform to haters.(KIENGIR (talk) 04:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC))